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Going back to your problem of not retrieving after a few times. I’d do a couple of short to mid range retrieves with him every day. Since you say after 2 or 3, he doesn’t want to work anymore, so just do 2 retrieves, then that problem doesn’t happen.
At the same time I would go back to the beginning of force fetch. When you do, make sure it’s after those 2 fun retrieves when his attitude is good, then do a short simple FF. Start at hold again and go all the way thru. It will take a good 3 weeks if you work with him every day for FF. After every FF session, I’d thrown one nice fun bumper and call it a day to end on a positive note. For every retrieve I’d also keep him on a long line so he can’t get away and lie down.
Don’t make his FF sessions long and drawn out.
Keep a journal every single time for everything you do with him.
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Going back to your problem of not retrieving after a few times. Iíd do a couple of short to mid range retrieves with him every day. Since you say after 2 or 3, he doesnít want to work anymore, so just do 2 retrieves, then that problem doesnít happen.
At the same time I would go back to the beginning of force fetch. When you do, make sure itís after those 2 fun retrieves when his attitude is good, then do a short simple FF. Start at hold again and go all the way thru. It will take a good 3 weeks if you work with him every day for FF. After every FF session, Iíd thrown one nice fun bumper and call it a day to end on a positive note. For every retrieve Iíd also keep him on a long line so he canít get away and lie down.
Donít make his FF sessions long and drawn out.
Keep a journal every single time for everything you do with him.
Just my 2 cents.
Thank you. We've backed it way up!! He will FF all day with no issues. We were doing a lot of pile work and drills so we have completely stopped it for a couple weeks. I think we were over doing it. We are doing short fun retrieves, and going back to obedience and things he knows for a couple of weeks. We are also doing water work because he loves that. In the last couple of weeks we have figured out he's lost his confidence. We are slowly rebuilding and seeing improvements daily.

I've never had to completely stop training for 4 months right at the age it's so important. We are working with a new trainer and her techniques seem to be working with him. We are doing it all ourselves, but she is guiding each step. He is the polar opposite of our 8 year old. He's making us better at training. lol

I think we were doing way to much repetition and he was bored. I also think everything was way to long and drawn out. We were trying to make up for lost time and it was just to much. We've figured out he's a thinker. Our 8 year old would jump off a mountain if you said BACK, and I don't think I've ever seen him even hesitate. (We were spoiled) This guy is making us work!
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You're right every dog is different. I can't train Lucy more than 2 or 3 times in a week. Riot will train all day long every day. You just have to work with what your dog is. Sounds like you have a plan. You'll be back on track before you know it!


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"I think we were doing way to much repetition and he was bored. I also think everything was way to long and drawn out. We were trying to make up for lost time and it was just to much. We've figured out he's a thinker. Our 8 year old would jump off a mountain if you said BACK, and I don't think I've ever seen him even hesitate. (We were spoiled) This guy is making us work!"


My mentor's last dog, Bones, did better with fewer reps. He would say to me "I can't do too much with her, she does better with less. I do what I need to do, then put her away". He also said to know your dog and stop with the dog wanting just one more retrieve.
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