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I have a yes and no answer. I think in heavy cover (probably even thicker than your picture) not requiring a sit to flush gives the dog an advantage when going after the bird. This is especially helpful when going after wild birds, which in my experience always seem to run when they hit the ground. Therefore the dog is already on their trail when the hit the ground.
That being said I am currently working with my younger female dog on a sit to flush. Primarily because I am thinking of running some HRC and Spaniel AKC tests with her.
I do believe both will work but in very heavy cover with wild birds the sit to flush puts the dogs at a disadvantage.

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IMO a dog should always sit on the flush. In heavy cover it is unlikely that a breaking dog will be able to mark a fall and it can't mark multiple falls.

When you find yourself hunting near a road, barbwire fence or any other hazard you will be glad your dog is steady to flush.
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I have a yes and no answer. I think in heavy cover (probably even thicker than your picture) not requiring a sit to flush gives the dog an advantage when going after the bird. This is especially helpful when going after wild birds, which in my experience always seem to run when they hit the ground. Therefore the dog is already on their trail when the hit the ground.
That being said I am currently working with my younger female dog on a sit to flush. Primarily because I am thinking of running some HRC and Spaniel AKC tests with her.
I do believe both will work but in very heavy cover with wild birds the sit to flush puts the dogs at a disadvantage.



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I have one dog in each camp. One sits (or stops) on the flush, the other will not. The one that does, takes longer to find his bird. The one that doesn't sit, is chasing the bird as it flushes, then when its shot, she's right on top of it.

With birds that fly low on a flush, sitting is important because you don't want to hit the dog. so pen raised birds are best for this type of dog.
For dogs that chase and the birds are strong flyers, then you want a dog that chases. Wild birds are better for this type of dog.

Both dogs need to be under control and come back when called. Both need to be tenacious when hunting for shot birds.


once a dog has learned to chase, its very difficult to "fix" that behavior. If you want to get that behavior (sit or stop on flush) ,do not set birds for the dog until you are solid on whistle sit.


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This thread is very informative, for someone like me having very little field/hunting experience. I was thinking the sit or stop would be best for safety. But Stacey explained very well how both types work in differet situations. I also originally though teaching a dog to use a toilet and flush, ha ha!
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