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Dog #2 sounds like Bally.
Tricky initial lines are a lot of pressure for him. Lots of long cold blinds without tricky initial lines, actually improve initial lines over time.
I do not do any sort of repeating blinds, it is just exercise. He is a rock star at any sort of drill, so we really don't drill too much.

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Originally Posted by Edward Lee Nelson View Post
Dog #1 knew 1 word GO! I had to do everything in my power to slow him down. I couldn't trust the dog then and even at 14 I cant let him out without a leash or he is gone. He was never able to be a full inside dog because of severe pacing so he stayed in the kennel during the day and inside at night in a kennel. He was just a nut. I walked very slow to the line almost tippy toe in training and a trial because he was so high. I had to set the standard that way, so both of us went very slow. The louder my voice was the more excited he would become so my cues were at a whisper: ie, dead bird back, easy command on a short retired. Only loud word I used was SIT before I signaled for birds. He was not a breaker or creeper. He only broke once and that was in the 4th series of a Amateur on honor, which was handler error.

Dog #2 is totally different, she will lay on the sofa at night and when I say night night time she goes upstairs jumps up on the bed and puts her head on the pillow until she wakes me up around 5:30 to play. She is not a head swinger, very focused and relaxed on line, going up and sitting and checking the situation out and focuses on the long gun She has a good memory and has no problem going long. She is young so who knows how she will really turn out after the transition stage, but she is a total team player and trusts me from 300 yrds or more on whistle sits. I have complete control of her at all times. She loves drills and loves to work because she is confident with them. She picked the T up very easy and quick. I am not big on the double T though. I am learning to appreciate this type of dog more and more.If you teach and show her she will understand through repetition. Her issues that she has now I believe are immaturity and confidence,
Dog #1 ... hmmm, that sounds strangely familiar.

Dog #2 ... I've not yet had one meeting that level of pliability, but one of my training buddies has an 8 month old that seems to fit that description ... she's a quick learner, very nice dog!
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Originally Posted by Edward Lee Nelson View Post
I am way behind in reading the thread, this is a very good thread. This is my experience:

Dog #1(retired): A total nut and a mind of his own, He would break when you said dead bird, he was gone.
1) Very slow to a crawl in coming to the line, no excitement on the line and very soft spoken, very precise and slow casting, even a double whistle at times to allow him to focus.(once a trial I could get away with it) keep his line very tight or he would be gone.
2) Training: A very high standard, no leeway. Could handle collar pressure but a NO and making him sit for 30 seconds worked the best on cast mistakes. Wagon wheel drills and Chinese drills( Rex Carr drill, no marks included) worked the best. Had to do them at least once a week or more, to be sharp, had to wear him out. Water marks were more an issue as he wanted to go out to sea. Thats another story though.

Dog #2: Young dog 16/17 months:
1)Very biddable, a BIG THINKER, not as much go as dog #1 but enough. Precision caster, stops on a whistle 300 yrds out a few feet from bird.
2) Training: Need to speed everything up, dont mess around on line, line her up and go, will take a cast anywhere, anyplace you want her too. Biggest problem is looking out and initial line. Excels at pattern blinds,sight blinds,BB blinds, any drill you want because she is confident. At this point we are strictly cold blinds, 3-5 a training session. We are very lenient on the initial line because the goal is to get her to go and I dont care where just go. In time she should be a great blind runner.
OHHHH that Dog #1 sounds so so so familiar. Autocast is her nickname. Had to learn to sit her and wait a count of 3 before casting to convince her to go in my direction and not hers. Excited to come to the line, but a stern sit at the line is always needed. When we get to the blind line I tell her in the holding blind dead bird, once on the mat I let her scout shortly and once she looks in the correct direction I give the cue "that's right", dead bird, back. The more bobbing at the line the poorer the initial line. Have to be fast on the whistle or she could end up under the hill and then to Timbuktu.

On a blind I try to come to the line with a plan. What are the points where I would stop regardless of the dog's line. What are the factors? Wind, terrain. One cast refusal, maybe two but on #3 you come back with correction to original point of cast refusal and I will ask for more effort. Also I have to watch myself for not over casting. Have to be aware to give the same cast as given on the first cast refusal.
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Originally Posted by FTGoldens View Post
Dog #1 ... hmmm, that sounds strangely familiar.

Dog #2 ... I've not yet had one meeting that level of pliability, but one of my training buddies has an 8 month old that seems to fit that description ... she's a quick learner, very nice dog!
FT Goldens, I am like you I like my dogs that are just crazy with go. She is just a different type of dog for me. An example would be after training today she has been laying at my feet all evening just relaxed with not a care in the world. She isn't a pin point marker and marks off the gun but stays in the area and doesn't disturb much terrain. Blinds will come. Time will tell with her progression. Start the Fall Derby season in 2 1/2 weeks. Wish the Derby National was closer but if we go we would miss two weeks of local trials.

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