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I just think that the qualities that I find desirable in my Goldens are different from what other owners want. I just have to take a look at my local breed club and what they desire in their dogs..
So glad my kids have been rescues and we figured it out in time. Will a floofy poofy fancy show dog be a hunter, sure. Will a feisty field dog be a couch potato, you bet.

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I've found the perception that Golden's don't make good hunting dogs to be rampant among hunters. But only among people that have never owned and never even hunted over a Golden. There seems to be this idea that they're just fancy show dogs and not a sporting breed. Its disappointing, because it's really not true. I think that given the chance, a lot of pet Golden's could make fine hunting companions. That's exactly what Archer was, but everyone that hunts with him is blown away at his natural instinct. He goes out regularly with our hunting guide friend. It's his nose that really sets his apart from hunting with a lab. He rarely loses a cripple on land and will even dive for them in the lake. I really liked that the article brought that point up.

The purchase price is probably the biggest deterrent for most amateur Hunters. That same guide friend was asking about getting a Golden puppy from me. He has shown in Conformation in the past and finished a few AKC Champions. He said he would never pay more than $1,500 for a dog. That's pet price for a healthy Golden! But you can easily have an unregistered Lab for $400 from a backyard breeder. Or even full AKC with health certifications and some titles for $1,200.

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I grew up in kind of a male-dominated hunting family. I took some grief for having Goldens which were *sissy dogs* vs. Labs which were *real retrievers* We used to trade barbs about that, mostly in good fun, but not completely. For some reason it seems Labs are the more *manly* choice for hunting dogs.

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I grew up in kind of a male-dominated hunting family. I took some grief for having Goldens which were *sissy dogs* vs. Labs which were *real retrievers* We used to trade barbs about that, mostly in good fun, but not completely. For some reason it seems Labs are the more *manly* choice for hunting dogs.
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I grew up in kind of a male-dominated hunting family. I took some grief for having Goldens which were *sissy dogs* vs. Labs which were *real retrievers* We used to trade barbs about that, mostly in good fun, but not completely. For some reason it seems Labs are the more *manly* choice for hunting dogs.
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One time in a field training group, a guy "jokingly" asked me, "now why do you women always have goldens?" He runs labs and his wife runs goldens.
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What kind of dog one chooses depends greatly on the kind of hunting they are going to be doing. For someone that is going to waterfowl 100% of the time, Labs are generally preferred due to the lower cost and the fact that they drag back less water with them when returning from a retrieve.

When you add upland birds to the mix, the Golden starts to gain rapidly in popularity due to a much better nose and close hunting style. If the hunter's balance of hunting will be significantly more upland than waterfowl the Golden will easily win out, as that is the kind of niche the breed was created to fill.

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Also when it comes to limited registration, most field golden breeders do not offer limited registration. Most only do full registration. The whole limited registration thing is all about the show ring. Same with show labs, you'll probably only get limited registration from show breeders of labs, field labs are mostly doing full registration.
I inquired about a show lab (years ago) and the pups ran the same prices as show golden pups (about $1000 back then), limited registration, and mandatory fencing. The breeder is somebody who has no problem placing puppies. Keep in mind she is only breeding once or twice every year and is "out there" with her dogs being shown. This is all the advertisement she needs for her dogs. <= I did not get a pup from her because we have no fence and are unwilling to put up fencing.

Even other breeds which are not as popular have no problems placing the puppies.

It is "supply and demand" but also they are very selective about what they breed, how often they breed, and they are very well known in their breeds with them always getting referrals without any advertisement and even when they don't have puppies on the ground yet.

One comment on the breed (in general) and limited registration or lack thereof (in general) is that when you have everyone and his brother and sister breeding everything they have... you are going to struggle convincing puppy buyers to pay more when/if the quality is there.

And quality isn't just titles on the dog. It's also appearance. If you are buying a dog vs adopting a $10 mutt from an animal shelter.. it better be a nice looking dog. And then it is also health and temperament.

Any "gee I wish we all could do full registration and ensure people will be producing puppies for less money" thoughts going through our heads better go away quick with the reminder that labs are a mixed bag. You're not just talking about "prozac puppies". You are talking about dogs as aggressive in tendency as pit bulls are. This is major dog aggression and even aggression towards people.

That is why there is so much protectionism in golden retrievers among breeders. It's not just about keeping pups out of the hands of "dumpers" (ie people who buy on impulse and dump the pups at 6-8 months).

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My friend's husband is a duck hunter and she says his preference for a Lab comes down to one thing - the coat. He thinks a lab is less work after a hunt but a Golden needs a thorough brush out to remove burrs, sticks, tangles etc. She's been asking him to get a Golden for years and he always tells her "great dogs but too much work."


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