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Jeeze where have I been all day on this thread?!
Nate - I appreciate your independent thought on this topic.
Look at the pictures of goldens from WAY BEFORE Noramby Campfire, the original Magoffin dogs, they are much more moderate and bigger dogs.
Campfire was only 10 months old in that photo -- a lanky teenager.
Goldens were not recognized by the AKC for another 22 years --- the "separation" started during the late 70s & early 80s
The breed's last Dual Champion was in the early 70s
What drove the separation? Too many breeders focusing on one area of competition and those venues becoming exponentially more competitive. The extremes won. The moderates got left in the dust. Same reason they keep moving back the 3 point line in basketball. Kids get better, the old game isn't a challenge anymore.
I strongly, strongly am against requiring any title to validate another title in another venue. What happens when you "require" a hunting title to validate a breed CH? Well the hunting title requirement gets dumbed down so hard, it's no longer a challenge to pass it. If it's not a challenge, why bother. What is it proving.
Here's the other issue. A piece of paper stating a dog holds "X" title means NOTHING. It means he met the statistical requirements of the title.
A CH certificate doesn't tell you how good of a front the dog has, is he balanced, does he have slipped hocks, is he too long in back, does he track wide. Nope. It tells you he got 15 points and two majors. How did he get 15 points and two majors? Was he shown sparingly to breeder judges by his amateur owner? Did he finish from the puppy classes? Did he finish after his owner dragged him to 300 shows? Did he finish after being on 5 different pro handlers trucks for 4 years?
Same for any performance venue. I know a BIG NAME show Champion golden who took nearly 40 tries to finish his JUNIOR HUNTER.
I know a GRAND CHAMPION show golden who took a staggering FIFTY-SIX TRIES to earn a Master Hunter. It has the same elusive "Dual Dog Hall of Fame" notoriety as my GRAND CHAMPION show golden who took a tidy SIX TRIES to earn his Master Hunter. Same titles. Very different stories.
A dog is measured in the eye of the beholder. Titles tell you nothing. Go see him and judge for yourself. Stay critical.
"Fisher" CH Deauxquest Hard Day's Knight UDT VER RAE MH WCX CCA VCX OS DDHF, Can. CD WC
"Slater" HRCH Morninglo Wing-T Your Bird Can Sing UD MH NA WCX CCA VCX, Can. CD WC
"Bally" BISS GCH Can. CH Richwood Wing-T Workin' Like A Dog CD MH WCX** DDHF, Can. WCI
"Brix" BISS GCH Can. CH Malagold Wing-T We Can Work It Out JH WC, Can. WC