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We had our second class today and it was a lot better. I'm pretty sure a lot of the issues last week were simply first class problems, they are always the worst since the dogs are so jacked. There are still a few people that really shouldn't have a dog, but I'm learning a lot from everyone else.

We did one exercise where we are all in a big circle and one dog/owner weaves in and out of the people until they get around the circle back to their spot. Fisher did great at ignoring the other dog when they were weaving but when it was our turn to weave, he would rile up the other dogs because he got the wiggle butt showing he wanted to play. He's funny because he looks like an adult but is still very much a puppy haha. Its really a great environment for teaching the dogs they need to focus even in high distraction places.

I also got several comments on what a great-looking dog he is, which is always fun (especially from lab people)
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Being at home and up at night with a sick dog I have had time to re-watch the Lardy tapes. In the epilogue on the Total Retriever Training Lardy makes some very good comments after relating stories of great field trial dogs, Topbrass Cotton being one of them. He makes it clear that those stories were not stories of high performance dogs that were intimidated and were performing due to coercive training procedures. He even quotes a lady stating - "A dog does not retrieve for me, she can only retrieve with me, it is a mentor relationship". He goes on to state that a trusted counselor will treat a dog with respect, monitor their needs and health, never correct in anger or with malice....

Many amateurs should take a couple hours and watch or re-watch those tapes.

With that said, I rarely use treats, in the beginning with a puppy, yes but afterwards that turns into praise and play and then later in the field, the retrieve itself becomes the reward. With time they become sophisticated enough to know when they did a good job and that in itself is a reward.


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This thread is pretty fun to read 1.5 years later! Like @k9design said I was firmly in the newbie bliss stage. And @MillionsofPeaches was right on the mark with how manipulative these goldens can be if you let them. As I'm getting ready to get my first well bred field puppy this weekend, I just want to say thanks to all those that take the time to educate newbies! Some of us do listen and take what you are saying seriously!

Also, those people I met in that first class are now some of my best friends. Its so true that we all start somewhere! Also that guy that had a meltdown with his 5 month puppy, is pretty much the nicest guy ever. He just had a bad day, that dog just got 2nd in a derby last weekend.

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wow this is interesting to read again! I went back and read the whole thread. I'm glad you are enjoying yourself in your group and are doing so well!! What have you learned during all of this?

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wow this is interesting to read again! I went back and read the whole thread. I'm glad you are enjoying yourself in your group and are doing so well!! What have you learned during all of this?
Haha right, that's the fun part of this forum. Getting to go back and see what you were thinking in the past.

As for what I've learned - Every dog is different and every trainer is different and while I may not use all suggestions, I can learn something from everybody. Indoor obedience classes for this club are really not to get instruction, but are more geared towards working your dog in a high distraction environment. I've learned who to take advice from in the club and who to listen to but maybe not implement without a 2nd opinion lol. I'm also very selective on who I will offer advice to because most of these guys don't want to hear it from the chick with the fluffy.

I used to be really guilty of not holding my dog to a high enough standard and pushing him to the next level. Although I feel like I have two different dogs, a summer dog and a winter dog. Winter version of Fisher is medium drive, and all about retrieving. Summer version of Fisher is low drive and is just hot and doesn't want to work (He has so much hair so I can't blame him). If I try a hard set up on a hot day it can turn really unproductive and spiral very quickly so I need to be smart about what I train and when for this dog. He also does best with days off and only training 3 days a week. I've managed to get Fisher 3 started passes in HRC and am training for seasoned now (starting swim by).

I'm still a newbie, but I'm a newbie that has access to right resources now! Also this is definitely the best sport and I'm hooked for life

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So Iím curious, knowing what you know now, what will you do differently with your next puppy?


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I like Stacey's question!! It sounds like you are so much more knowledgable and in a comfortable spot in your training career. That's the best feeling! To have solid ground to stand on when you are trying to learn to train a dog. it will be great to hear about your new pup's adventures!

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So Iím curious, knowing what you know now, what will you do differently with your next puppy?
A lot will depend on the puppy itself. One thing I wish I would have done differently with Fisher is be a little less strict on obedience. I think had I let him be a wild man when retrieving it would have benefited in the long run. However, I don't think I'll have that problem with this puppy, but we will see.

Other than that, just making sure the puppy has a lot of structure in his routine. My current two were bought with really just being a pet first and foremost. This is my first dog I've purchased with the intention of competing to a high level.

I just want to be much more intentional about my training program and have a plan on what I want to work on each time I train.

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