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see here I think we all have different dog type personalities.

I WANT Proof to think he is wrong when I blow the whistle. This dog has so much confidence on blinds (probably did too much lining as a pup) that he never thinks he is wrong. There are several people on this forum and in this thread that have watched proof run blinds in training. This dog doesn't like to stop. He thinks he knows exactly where he is going and I'm there just to say back. The rest should be left up to him...ha ha ha. So for me, I need him to realize that he isn't always right and when I blow the whistle he just needs to go where I tell him because he is wrong.

I think I know where you guys are coming from. I have seen some dogs (mostly young dogs) cower when the whistle is blown. So I guess it is important that they understand that being wrong isn't a big deal, they just need to change direction. When I blow the whistle Proof stops and and his tail is wagging in that crazy way and his eyes are bright. He has a whole mischievous demeanor rippling through his body. I am sure I could ruin any dog on a blind but it would take a LOT to ruin Proof's confidence on blinds. I mean I don't even know what it would take honestly because he is just so **** confident.

The point is not all dogs need to be uplifted in training. Sometimes that actually makes things harder for both the dog and the handler.

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Claudia,

I agree you can't handle a dog you can't see, that's why I stop on the point and have the dog concentrate on me. I agree with literal casting to a point but there are other obstacles that comes into play such as: 1) knowing your dog: Your dogs grandfather always wanted to go out to sea, I had to fight him not to go so I would not give him a cast to the big water side, I had to keep him tight, if big water was on the left you wouldn't see a left back or angle from me or he would be gone. 2) How your dog was/is trained: My left and right backs will only make a slight difference in the angle they go back so I am more apt to give a silent non-verbal angle with out a step to get the change of direction I want or need.,A lot of it in a trial is which way the dog turns best( give a back with no hand signals and see which way the dog turns to find out) and again knowing your dog.3) Factors such as wind, current and if you are lucky enough to see the mistakes of the other dogs in front of you also play a factor. BUT you should not overcompensate and the goal is a direct line to the bird.

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I like to think that the whistle means "You now have to change direction" and as a consequence momentum. Disclaimer: I certainly am not the best at running blinds.

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see here I think we all have different dog type personalities.

I WANT Proof to think he is wrong when I blow the whistle. This dog has so much confidence on blinds (probably did too much lining as a pup) that he never thinks he is wrong. There are several people on this forum and in this thread that have watched proof run blinds in training. This dog doesn't like to stop. He thinks he knows exactly where he is going and I'm there just to say back. The rest should be left up to him...ha ha ha. So for me, I need him to realize that he isn't always right and when I blow the whistle he just needs to go where I tell him because he is wrong.

I think I know where you guys are coming from. I have seen some dogs (mostly young dogs) cower when the whistle is blown. So I guess it is important that they understand that being wrong isn't a big deal, they just need to change direction. When I blow the whistle Proof stops and and his tail is wagging in that crazy way and his eyes are bright. He has a whole mischievous demeanor rippling through his body. I am sure I could ruin any dog on a blind but it would take a LOT to ruin Proof's confidence on blinds. I mean I don't even know what it would take honestly because he is just so **** confident.

The point is not all dogs need to be uplifted in training. Sometimes that actually makes things harder for both the dog and the handler.
Heck yah! Lucy hates it when I hit the whistle. She knows she wrong. Riot on the other hand runs with wild abondone. He’s so freaking fast. Then sometimes he thinks he knows where the blind is an anticipates the command. Riot definitely doesn’t lack confidence. Lucy does. Every dog is different. I do get irritated when I see dogs that bark on a blind, in anticipation, hurry up already!


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Yes Lee, in training you emphasize the literal cast and in a trial you use the cast that will take you to the blind the cleanest possible way. LOL Reason why in the Farmer/Lardy symposium it was stated that trials un-train a trained dog.

Interesting about Jay. Belle used to seek water (failed her first master by going on the land blind by the water into the water - well that and me knocking the judge with the gun in the head. Not intentionally, I was watching Belle on the mark and walked backwards to put the gun back since no one came to pick take the gun, did not see the judge move from my right to my left behind me walking straight into the gun. I thought he was joking when he said I should be DQ-ed for that but he got very serious and I got pretty flustered and frustrated. The co-judged apologized profusely). So since then we did tune up drills with by the water blinds, big water blinds, shore line blinds, channel blinds etc. LOL all that only to jump over the corner of water at B1 and fail another MH test. Plain example of where you give the Over hoping the dog will take a wide angle back as she could already smell the duck.

Belle was dog #2. Rose was # 33. By then I noticed that the line to the blind was more and more moved to the water shore instead of at the gun station. LOL Rose goes into the deep water. And on B2 she took the island and from there could not handle her because I could not see her. Banana line to both blinds and we were out.

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I have two very different dogs and I have more experience now.
Dog 1-I did everything I could to build and keep momentum. Lots of memory blinds and drills where she knew the picture and could just go. She got a lot of leeway before correction came in to play. (She also was my first dog so that I’m sure factored into correction) She turned out to be a very good blind running dog.
Dog 2-I watch for a loss of momentum loss but I have yet to see it. I have to be on my game running blinds with him or he will try and take over. He is on an extremely short leash before correction comes into play. He is still a work in progress so this year we shall see how good his blinds get.
My whistle means STOP. Dog 1 probably didn’t get a correction with the 2nd quick whistle. Dog 2 does get correction on 2nd quick whistle.

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Yes I can see Claudia if your dog doesn’t get wet on blind 1 it would have put you behind the 8 ball. Was blind 2 by invitation?
Blind 2’s line looks by the island so depending on the judge touching the island would get you out here or for the more generous judges it better be a quick handle right back into water.
That would be a nice pond to play on.

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see here I think we all have different dog type personalities.

I WANT Proof to think he is wrong when I blow the whistle.
This cracks me up because I'm pretty sure Winter is thinking "ok what do you want me to do" and Flyer is thinking "what the heck are you doing, I've got this! The yin and yang of personalities.
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Yes I can see Claudia if your dog doesn’t get wet on blind 1 it would have put you behind the 8 ball. Was blind 2 by invitation?
Blind 2’s line looks by the island so depending on the judge touching the island would get you out here or for the more generous judges it better be a quick handle right back into water.
That would be a nice pond to play on.
Yup, Belle did not get to do B2. I thought about starting her with B2 but B1 was hot and I chickened out. I was more worried about B1 that she would roll in that little muddy water instead of jumping over it. Since I had no chance to watch another dog run before Belle I asked the judges if the starting line was the same as for the marks or if we had area to move. Judge said you start at the gun stand. She was so cute when I stopped her. She looked at me, looked at the duck. I sat there and then she looked at me with devilish eyes and squirming body like I know a better way.

It was a neat test. One of the most challenging tests I have seen. The first series was really tough as well. Live, learn, train and then just go back and do it.


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In general when running a test if they give you the option of those two blinds to run in either order, pick the one with the most water. Get your dog thinking water. Not only that but so many dogs are used to repeating blinds they are more likely to take the same initial or a similar line to the second blind as they took on the first. Lots easier to handle out of water than into it. In training, run it in the other order - less watery first.

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