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Hi Boomer, I bet you meant to put this in the weekly training thread - maybe C&P there too so nobody misses it? I want to know what word GRF bleeped out LOL!

OK Very "interesting" (and telling) session today. I did walking fetch with bumper-bird-bumper-bird-bumper and guess who refused the bumpers and tried to drag me to the birds? It was a disaster at first because he would not even look at a bumper sitting right in front of him. We kept working through it and by the end of the session he was doing the whole exercise really well and not refusing or passing by the bumpers.

I look at drills like this not as being training for some direct future activity but rather, feeling the dog out for his propensities and responses. Bally is very gung ho but like most young dogs, very impulsive. He's also the birdiest dog I've ever had. It's best to get the lesson early on that he needs to do what I say, not just what he wants. I figure this should serve me well when we start running blinds and doing poison birds

We had a second training session several hours later of just 3 handed casting/baseball. He has really figured this out, becoming much more fluent in taking casts (and ignoring my discard pile).

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Whoops, sorry Bally! didn't mean to hijack your thread LOL

P.S. I bleeped **** out myself, it's a 4 letter word that means shizzle!


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We had a great follow up session today of walking fetch with birds & bumpers. Only once did Bally get a correction for refusing the bumper. It was a HUGE improvement and he was really working with me despite his obvious desire to get the birds as a priority
I'm not going to linger on this but I do think it was good to do. I remember a friend having to do walking fetch with her SH moving onto MH dog, when she would switch and/or have big ridiculous handles where she was blinking a dead go-bird with an out of order flyer. She had to do walking fetch mixing bumpers, dead birds and shackled ducks to get the message across to the dog.
Bally also worked fetching & holding the bumper coming out of the water, I tossed the bumper 3 times and he was perfect! Even coming out and shaking off while holding the bumper and coming into heel position -- which is a soggy proposition for me but shows he understands what is being asked of him! We then brought out a duck and he needed one reminder to not drop the duck to shake off, then he was perfect. Really really pleased with his progress. Off to watch videos and see where we go next.

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Quick training session today. I worked on sending Bally back and forth between two piles of 4 bumpers, about 15 yards apart. Two or three times he got a tap with the heeling stick and it totally didn't phase him. He has excellent momentum to the pile and isn't shopping. What's funny, before he would always select the small 2" bumpers from the pile, now since he got ear pinch with some bigger 3" bumpers the past two days in walking fetch, he fetched a big bumper out of the pile every time today.
We also did marks with all the guys with birds, just simple stuff but of course they loved it. My mom ran Slater on the marks, so she can see what a steady dog feels like! He actually picked up the bird and brought it right back to her rather than running to me (I was throwing).

I will probably spend a few more sessions on simple pile work with Bally and hopefully lots of marks in the next few weeks. I am pretty sure we're done with force fetch and need to commence on collar conditioning.

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Today we did 3-handed casting and Bally did very well. A few wrong casts here and there but I just stopped him with the long line and started over. When I had one bumper left at the back pile, I lined him up at my side and sent him. Instead of going to it he took a left and ran about 30 yards away to where one of my friend's girls (who is in season) had peed, and started sniffing it. What a bad dog!!! I marched over there, yanked him up by the collar and marched back to where we had been. Told him sit, he looked out at the bumper, then I pinched his ear all the way to it. OWWOWOWOWOWOWWWW Well that straightened him out. I put a few more bumpers out there and he did two more straight sends and a couple of back casts to the pile perfectly.
Bally also got a bunch of single marks today a few on land and a few in the water. His delivery manners were perfect -- yay puppy

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More 3-handed casting today, with just one side pile. Also sent straight a few times, the first time he tried to make for the side bumper but I just called him back and resent and he went straight to the back pile. He is taking his casts really well
We sorta did a wagon wheel but just with two bumpers, turning 90 each time to the left and right. Hard for him not to go after that first bumper down
Nice session -- Bally is fun to work with!

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Thanks for the Bally-updates, Anney. I especially appreciate hearing the smaller details about the mistakes he makes and what you do to correct them.

Thanks again for the advice on holding off on some of this until I had time to train every single day, it's been crazy at my house and I would have had to back off on training. January will be our month


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We had a really adorable session today. I need to get on with it with teaching Bally the sit whistle so we did a little bit of heeling and stopping on the whistle but for the first time used the heeling stick. Well previous when I have used the stick for stick fetch Bally hasn't noticed it one iota but at the end of the session I would let him play with the stick, I'd whack it on the ground and he'd chase it and get to carry it back to the car. Holy guacamole he thought me bringing out the stick today was playtime! It was quite comical. I just sorta ignored him jumping to grab the stick and carried on, and swatted his booty every other sit or so. Even though he was goofing a little, he still responded AMAZING to the stick pressure and was sitting lightening fast with a GREAT attitude. I found I had to swat him on his outside (left) hip otherwise he would swing out. We did sits at my side and in front. I was really pleased with the session (and yes he got to carry the stick back to the car!).
We also practiced casting again today, just a quick session with two bumpers for a back and over. It was starting to sprinkle and I still had to go to the grocery store so I didn't want to mess with all the bumpers and whatnot.
I will say one thing he's caught onto really quick is looking straight ahead at the bumper/pile when I say "SIT." I will not use the term "dead bird" until we get close to doing blind drills, which are still months away, but he now knows that "SIT" in heel position means look forward. We do this on marks and pile stuff.

Of course I went home later on and had a nearly disastrous obedience training session, working Bally for his dinner, that wasn't any fun for either of us. I can remember having the occasional session like this with Slater. I think it's my fault and not theirs. I expect them to know how to do something perfectly and to go with 1000% gusto all the time and that just isn't always realistic. It may be in the future but not at every point in their life. I have to remember how far I've come with Slater and that it will happen with Bally too. Well we've hugged and made up and we're all better now Hopefully my dog's dumb trainer will figure out how to train dogs one day.

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Have just been working on our 3-handed casting this week, and marks. Nothing really new to report. Also I started teaching Bally to sit on a come-in whistle, by putting a jump bar on the ground and teaching him to stop right in front of it, now I can call him and blow the whistle right before the bar and he'll sit.
He's also gotten a few corrections for trying to break (just with the pinch collar & pull tab) and is getting to be pretty lead steady.

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