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We had a really nice session today. I am still trying to feel all of this out. We started with what I thought would be a relatively clear picture - swim past a small point - so I had the gunner move back up the shore a good amount. That was way over Bally's head. All of the factors were pushing him right (the point was on the right, the gunner was on the right, the wind was pushing right, and the shore faded away to the right where he needed to get in). He immediately jumped in too far right of the correct line which put him exactly on a path to the end of the point. I called him back. I had the gunner move in and repeat. Same outcome. I called back again. This time Kristin walked all the way in to the shore and made the comment that he was jumping in crooked and crossing in front of MY path to enter the water = totally wrong line. I had never even considered this before, but she was totally right. So now we shortened the mark way up, and threw the bumper so it landed in line with the point on the correct line. This time Bally jumped in straight and swam right to it. The next mark was in line with that but on the edge of the back shore; perfect. Then 10 yards up on the land, again a perfect line. WHEW OK I felt good about that and also felt like I am understanding more on what I need to teach him.
The next time we threw off another point, although it looked like a bigger mark, it was a square entry, we threw one even with the point, one angle back so he had to swim past the point, and he did both perfectly.

I hope what I am doing is right. I don't know what else to do except teach and repeat over and over. It was all attrition today and Bally had a great attitude.

We are also working on angle entry lining drills, each day I set out a little pile with a white stake, and line Bally to it requiring perfect lines coming and going in and out of the water. Today was good, the one time he messed up it was because he went too wide. I moved up and simplified and got him to take the correct line.

SOOOOO MUCH TO DO
We are having fun. Weather is perfect. Slater is dying of jealousy.

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awww slater!!!
That is really interesting about Kristin's comment and the way you worked it out. That is my favorite part of this whole business!

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Another really great session today. Started with a water mark about total distance 80 yards with again a point sticking out halfway. Had the gunner stand on the point and throw about 8 feet off the end of the point. Then threw angle back same line. Then gunner went to the far shore and threw on the shore again same line. Each time Bally was PERFECT passing the point. SOOOOOO happy.
We also did a down-the-channel series of marks progressively longer and closer to shore. Bally's entry was perfect, he actually swam fat in the water, and I worked on getting him to turn away from the shore when he grabs the bumper.
I did not do all of this with my other dogs. I was happy if they didn't obviously cheat, remembered where the bird was, and brought it back. Bally is a blank slate. I have all the time in the world to teach him everything. I feel like this is the fall semester and Bally is majoring in proper lines to marks.
Shelby -- Kristin and I trained with your BFF today. He was really great and extremely helpful. He has, as he said, an "evolution" to the progression which is what I'm interested in.
Beautiful weather too. Tomorrow dogs get bathed, we'll probably obedience train at the church, and then we have a breed/handling seminar this weekend in Daytona.

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Aw the evolution!! I heard all about that evolution. When you start watching the apes turn into humans let me know how it's happening
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We've trained the past few days. Bally is piecing this together. He only made one mistake the other day caving to the point, otherwise he's getting the hang of swimming past a point. We've started down-the-shore marks. For some reason Bally is catching on and hasn't made a mistake yet. Today our last (most difficult) one was about a 80 yard entry into the skinny end of a channel, swim down the channel to a mark angled back and landing on shore past the gunner on the left. Bally nailed the entry, actually swam fat, grabbed the bumper and turned around to his right to take more water on the way back! WOOOOHOOOOOO
We also have done channel blinds the past two days, everything fine.
Bally has so much to learn but he's doing really well. I also started no-no drill last night, over a box. Just had a little trouble on one of the last sends, but coming back. Had to simplify, then he got it. Meant to repeat the drill tonight but just ran out of gas. Was really hot today.

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girl you are working him hard! He's doing great. I was very impressed with your boys, that's for sure!!

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Wow, it's been a long time since an entry. Bally has had a lot of GREAT work especially in the water. He is now avoiding points and actively swimming around them. It is time to start judiciously putting him on and over points.
He has done some cheater water marks with LONG land entries. Long land marks. Marking continuing to improve. Paying very close attention to approach of the line, focusing on gun, watch and track mark, focus on ground, send and go straight. I am starting to put together more difficult doubles and a few triples.
For our yard work we're focusing on the following drills:

Simple lining drills w/ bumpers (angle and pyramid)
No-no drill (have done over the no no box and through trees/keyhole)
Lining drill on water
3-down-the-shore angle entry drill
back-cast-down-the-shore drill
KRD

Always something to work on.

Attached are a few diagrams from the past month's marks. I already posted them in the monthly training threads but now I can find them in one spot.

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Thought I'd check in.
The middle two weekends of February I ran Bally as test dog for Master in our two local tests (MFGRC & JRC). All three series both tests. He "would have" passed and earned ribbons at both tests. His biggest issue being VERY NAUGHTY on the walkups!!!! He was not like this at all in Senior.
My observations from these tests were, a grand majority of the Master dogs running were super cheaters. I couldn't believe it. We ran three triples in both tests. I very rarely do triples in fact Bally had never done a water triple until the week before the test. No problems.
So I've entered him in our first master, Tallahassee in two weeks, even though I swore I would never enter Tallahassee again. We'll see how it goes!!

In the training department we have been focusing on strengthening marking concepts. Lots of walking singles and technical singles on water.

Several weeks ago we ran into a problem with Bally being super weird on long entry/big swim water marks. Not that we do a lot of these but I had one session that I couldn't even get him to look out, on a mark we've actually done before. I decided I need to focus on getting him running confident big, simple water marks. The next day we went out I chose a very straightforward mark, about a 80 yard entry and 100-120 yard swim. Bally looked off the mark after it was thrown, left my side slowly with ears pinned back, got about 20 yards out and spun! UGGGGGGG I brought him back, did heel-burn-heel routine on a 2 (that is, hold dog's tab, walk forward in heel position, three nicks low-2, three nicks medium-2, three nicks hi-2, rethrow, resend). On the second send he didn't look off, but left slowly and stopped and spun before he got to the water. Called back with "NO!!" repeated heel-burn-heel sequence but this time with 3s. I also had the gunner move up to the shore and pitch the bumper angle-in on the far shore so it landed with a splash. This time Bally went with no hiccups.
The next training session we did another big water mark, different location but same thing, roughly 100 yard entry with roughly 100 yard swim. This time Bally was much more attentive on line, didn't look off, sent him, he got all the way to the water, spun and started to come back. Repeated heel-burn-heel on 3. Rethrew mark, he went and got it but took a bad path in the water and I had the gunner help him out to keep him on track. Totally lack of trying.
Next session, same concept different locale, Bally was MUCH better attitude, looking out earnestly across the pond to his gunner, ears up, tail wagging, taking off at high speed. STILL he got all the way to the water and turned around and came back. Again heel-burn-heel routine on 3. Repeated throw, he did it perfect.
Next session, same concept different locale, again super attitude, and HE NAILED IT on the first try!!! NO hesitation, fast, big leap in the water!!!!! Good thing because I was ready with the collar set on 4.
Today was the latest session and he again had great attitude and no issues on the retrieve at all. Mind over matter. We are going to continue to do one big water mark like this every opportunity we get, and eventually start adding factors like swimming past points and islands. The mental picture of swimming out to sea on a big piece of water AND a big land entry is very daunting and I'm glad Bally has responded so far to the corrections and is understanding what is expected of him.

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Wow, very long time since an update.
Bally did pass that first master test in Tallahassee. He failed the next one at Fall Line, but then went four-for-four during May & June to finish his MH 5-of-6 tests.
After we got back from our summer trip in early July, I took a big hiatus from any dedicated field training. Lots of traveling in August, September and October. Finally we're back home, no traveling plans, and the weather is perfect. Back to field training.
My goal is to run Bally in Quals in the next year. Nobody has written the book on how to do this with a show-bred golden! I have compiled a list of things I want to concentrate on, to avoid the trap of trying to do everything, which is impossible. My main goals are to TEACH with motivation and momentum, not overface, but yet be willing to correct for lack of effort. If he can't come back after a correction for not trying, then this isn't a game he needs to play. My goal is to keep it simple. If Bally THINKS he can do it, then he CAN do it.
Another biggie is to get more consistent with my cues and body language at the line to help the dog be correct.
My list of things to concentrate on is simple and short:

DRILLS
Obedience/Heeling
Bill Drill
Pyramid/Lining
Initial Line drill in water
back-cast-down-shore drill
5-handed casting
Pile work

MARKS
Singles off multiple guns in a setup formation
Long bird first
Walking singles
Hard memory bird run as single first : retired, interrupted double/triple, poison bird
Shorter technical water marks
Longer simple water marks

BLINDS
Long simple land blinds
Long entries into water
Technical factors at a distance
Blinds separate from marks (*I want Bally to think MARKS when he sees white coats....and he has no problem running blinds off suction, so I think this will make things more clear for him)

Today we had a really nice training session by ourselves. I started by putting out a white stake with a pile of bumpers halfway down the long side of a channel coming off of Middle Pond. I first lined him to it from about 50 yards away from the other side of the channel (the channel is maybe 20 yards across so a short swim to cross to the other side of the channel). We then kept moving left and farther away with each send. Next was from the road, about 75-100 yards to the channel, then to the flat part where the road peters out, about 150 yards to the channel, then up on the dike next to the fence which is at least 200 yards from the channel. My whole goal is to get Bally comfortable with long land entries on water blinds. For the three longer sends I did have to handle but each one he finally took that last cast and launched into the water. On the last one I couldn't even see the stake anymore, much less the water in the channel or the dog once he got out there, but he came back wet with a bumper! We had fun

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