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I didn't realize it'd been so long since an update. We have had lots of shows including the National since September. For yardwork we've been keeping up on lining drills and 3-handed casting (baseball) with diversions. I work on all manner of diversion throws with Bally and he's gotten pretty good at it.

Last week I buckled down and started on collar conditioning to whistle sit. He has had plenty of repetitions with the whistle learning that it means SIT. Heeling & sitting, sitting while coming in from a retrieve, my long-line turn & sit drill. He responded OK but not perfect by any means.

I decided I was going to CC to sit whistle using the old Dobbs method of putting the collar around the dog's waist with the receiving unit on top, over the dog's hips. After doing a lot of reading and considering what I had done with Fisher & Slater, I decided to try it. Mitch is here in FL this winter and he uses this method so if I screw it up, at least I have him to fall back on!

So we spent two days just getting used to the feel of the collar around Bally's waist. He wore the bark collar (turned off) around his neck. He quickly learned to ignore his "belt" and we practiced all of our sitting drills with no pressure for 2 days.

On the 3rd session I began adding collar pressure while heeling. I would walk briskly, blow the whistle and keep on walking. Bally was expected to sit immediately and not follow me. The Dobbs book makes it real cut and dry -- hold down the button until the dog's butt is on the ground! In an effort not to over think it, that's exactly what I did. They also advised that dogs were more sensitive on their rump than their neck, and to go down a level. That I had doubts on, and I was right. I started with a low two, and didn't get a reaction until I got to a low four!!
Anyways over the next few sessions we progressed quickly to sitting with collar pressure for slow compliance on the following steps:

1 - walking briskly at heel
2 - running at heel
3 - recall with sit halfway back
4 - recall with bumper in mouth, sit half way back
5 - throw fun bumper, sit half way back
6 - Now the true test. Walk single bumper out about 40 feet away, return to dog. Send and blow the whistle half way. Bally's first true whistle sit en route to a retrieve and.....he did it! SUPER! Only problem I noticed is he sat down so fast his back was to me. The next session I held a 2nd bumper in my hand, and waved it as he turned, which gave a much straighter sit, followed by releasing him to fetch the bumper. This little step got him sitting much straighter.
7 - Sitting en route to a pile of bumpers ~40 yards away. Today was our first session with an actual pile and I was REALLY REALLY happy. Bally did about 10 sends to the pile, and I think I stopped him on 3 of the sends. His sits were great. On the 8th send I stopped him twice en route, rather than just at the halfway point, then sends 9 & 10 were freebees to the pile. He had GREAT momentum and never anticipated the whistle, yet his sits were immediate and no looping.

I want to work up to a long-distance sit-to-pile drill (150+ yards) with the collar still on his butt, and hopefully borrow a friend's collar to have a working remote collar on butt and neck for a quick transition to only the neck collar. Haven't hammered out exactly my progression there but --- so far so good.

Not sure if it's the dog, my training schedule or both, but every step of the way I have encountered very little confusion and thus we're able to move along quickly.

--Anney
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We have worked almost every day on sit on the whistle. We've now transferred the collar back to the neck and can stop multiple times to a pile 40-50 yards away. Very pleased with progress!!!! Will start on single T next.

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Here's an update a month later. We are officially into single-T and Bally's transferrence of all the previous skills onto T went without a single hitch. He put it all together in one session. I've done T probably 6-8 times now and he is flawless on his going, stopping, casting. I can throw poison bumpers and run him, throw to an over pile and send him to a back pile, he will handle with the bumper in his mouth and do a "run-by." About the only thing that confuses him is sometimes he gets turned around if I do a back-cast from a remote sit right in front of me to send him to the back pile. Yesterday I put a holding blind out in the middle of my T and he totally ignored it.

Today we were training water so I set up a back pile and stopped him en route in the water -- first time ever -- he did real real well, no problems!

I am VERY pleased with his progress, not only is he a quick learner but he very quickly puts pieces together with little confusion. I will say, his demeanor is very different from Slater. Slater has an incredible work ethic and saddled with any task he goes after it like his life depends on it. He is very demonstrative in his desire to do whatever it is, and to do it quickly. If you put pressure on him he definitely feels it although works through it. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. Bally is more out for a joy ride -- this is easy for him and he enjoys it -- but he doesn't act like his very being exists for single-T I wouldn't change anything at this point, but it is a different pace than his older brother. Bally is more independent and doesn't need my help or approval for everything, Slater hangs on my every word. Quite amusing!!!

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Single T today complete with pink flamingoes and holding blinds

71 78% humidity

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We had another session of stopping to the back pile in the water today. Bally did real well. The first few stops I held and swung a bumper which got him to focus on me, now he's treading water pretty well without it. I've been doing this on a piece of water that is about 30 yards across, so kinda far -- I think next time I will go put it on my smaller swim-by area so I can put in some side piles. The only benefit is when I finally get to a swim-by, I want to be able to throw a bumper to the side piles, and this larger area is a bit to big for me to be able to do that. It will be good to come back to it on the larger scale as a proof. Anyways, we're moving right along....

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More T work today. I am working on getting him proficient in the run-by and disciplined casting before moving on to double-T. Today we made real progress. Was able to get in a lot of handling by stopping and casting on the way back from the back pile. I actually forced on an over twice because I gave a cast and he just sat there. I gave the cast again and nicked as he started to go. It definitely helped.

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Have tried to get a session in every day. We've hammered out the kinks on disciplined casting/run-by and he is really quite adorable at it and fast. He is perfect on running-by to the right over pile, needs more work on going to left over pile.
Two sessions ago I decided to start stretching out the center line to build our double T. Some definite confusion there. I started by sitting him remote at what used to be our "home plate" but is now the intersection for the closer over piles, and casting him back. Got a lot of trying to run to over piles, especially the right one, as right back cast is his weaker cast. I found that if I backed up that far, my field is slightly convex and the dog cannot see the back pile from the new starting point, so I added a white stake which helped. Today I set out the 2nd set of overs, and just worked on the center line, both remote casts and sending from my side.

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Yesterday and today our TT sessions were a breakthrough.
I was slightly dissatisfied with Bally's speed to the backpile --- but hesitant to force much as I know he is trying to figure it out. I am really happy that he has never popped, and he understands that if he runs through an intersection without hearing a whistle he is home free and speeds up, which is cute, and of course very smart. But I was getting some looking around while running, not running as fast as I know he's capable, and some mistakes due to not putting in a lot of effort to be right (i.e. caving to side piles). So yesterday I got a little fed up with all of it. I had forced en route on one send with a medium-3 and got no response. The next send I forced on a low-4, no response, immediately again with a medium-4, no response, immediately again with a high-4 (this is all instantaneously on the same send) and WOW that got a response! Vocalizing and Bally turned on the afterburners and hauled azz to the back pile! YES! Amazing how after that he could both run fast AND not think about the over piles! Amazing! We quit after 2 or 3 more sends to end on a high note.

This morning I've already been out to the field -- First send was slower than I would like so I forced on medium-4 no response immediately high-4, he vocalized, spun to look at me, back cast and hauled butt to the pile. From then on out every send was at warp speed and great commitment. Normally I would be loathe to do that on the first send of the session but I can't let him get away with being lackadaisical from here on out. Only one time did he try to go for an over and I think it was to avoid the spot he got burned in. One handle put him back on the back pile. After that all of his sends were fast and straight.
I also sat him remotely at both intersections and cast to each over pile (all four) individually. On subsequent sends I stopped him on the way back, first at the close intersection, and did a run-by (first to left pile, then all the way over to right pile). Next send on the return I stopped him at the far intersection and did a run-by in the opposite direction. On that one he needed a handle as he tried to dig back toward the back pile. Brought him in a little and re-cast over, and he went right away. A few more straight sends and we were done.

I think at tomorrow's session I will start up closer to the pile and back up, or do remote casts. I do not want to get in a situation where I have to force en route after sending from my side full length on the first one. Don't want to set up a self-fulfilling prophecy of expecting something bad to happen.

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I've been toying with moving on to pattern blinds but was waiting for a few sessions of nearly 100% double T. Today was GREAT. Everything was super : speed, attitude, compliance. Only one bad cast today, and I had one sequence where I sent him with the bumper in his mouth, stopped on the far intersection, overed to the right, run-by to left pile, stopped, overed to center line, called in to close intersection, and did a run-by in the opposite way, with no flaws and super cute waggy tail on every sit. Can't ask for more! I have obedience trials this weekend then cramming for our hunt test the next two weeks (Slater, not Bally). I think I might try setting up my pattern blinds then, and start our water T also. Both things at Lazy J. I did pattern blinds with my other two at a local community college field, but now that I've moved it's equal distance and I'd rather not deal with the risk of roaming public at the college. Plus it's easier to recruit gunners at Lazy J once it's time to do PBs w/ diversions.
Anyways I've also been working on drills to improve casting and lining. We've started walking baseball and Bally is super cute at it. A perfect drill for casting and teaching come-ins and angle-ins. I will go through my books and see what other drills will be appropriate for his level.

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