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In cold climates plastic bumpers need to be put away for winter. If Jige is done teething (and at 6 1/2 months I would expect he is) use canvas bumpers, DFT's or birds. Store your DFT's inside where it's warm and you'll get a toss or two out of them before they get too uncomfortable for the pup to hold.

Real birds are best because they have lots of scent and you need that when the snow gets deeper and the birds sink.

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This morning went better. He didnt dig at the cloth bumper and he carried right not by the string which I was happy about. My son just headed out to do some work with him. Jige seems to really like the cloth bumper so I need to pick up atleast one more. Plus I will talk to my friend about getting a couple of dead birds.

P.s. Jige has all of his adult teeth so that isnt the issue I think he didnt like the frozen bumper.
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If you are serious about wanting to do hunt tests and want to do more than just JH/WC, I think you need to sit down and do some serious thinking about how you plan to go forward. Do you not plan to force fetch because you just don't think he needs it, or because you are set against using it? If you have no plan to force fetch your dog then you need to really do some research and study up under some people that have successfully put upper level titles on their dogs without doing FF. It's not impossible, but you need to have other tools to be prepared to use so you know what to do when a retrieving issue comes up.

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Yes I am serious about putting titles on him and I guess I thought I was coming up with a plan by asking those of you that have been doing this longer than 4 months what to do. I have told all of you this is my first golden I have read books on them but that is not the same as talking one on one with a person that owns and does what I want to do with my dog. This is his first time of Jige not doing what I have trained him to do so far. This is his first experience with snow.

My reason for not FF is that I dont feel he needs it. He does bring back anything I toss out for him and he has delieved to hand since he was 9wks old.

My son just came in and said that he was so much better during this training brought back the bumper everytime with out issues only had troubles when a wild rabbit ran across the yard.
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I agree with Swampy about the plastic bumpers in cold climates--in my Canadian neck of the woods those Avery hexabumpers are particularly bad--most of us who did have them got rid of them. I tend to use closed-cell foam bumpers over the winter. Dokkens makes some and so does Remington now. I also prefer them to canvas bumpers when there is wet sticky snow as then I find the canvas bumpers turn into snow logs!

FF or not is really not about whether the dog "needs" it--it is about the approach to training you are going to take. All my dogs are FF, because that is the way I train, and it gives me the tools I need for that time the dogs decides to do its own thing! If you are working with people who use a fairly traditional Carr-based appraoch to retriever training then it is going to be harder for you to get the hands-on help you will need to progress beyond introductory work. If you are going to try an alternate approach you will need to work very hard right now to reinforce that obedience and build that conditioned retrieve. Teach in increments, proof, and make sure you have the tools in place to deal with non-compliance. Get your hands on some literature, and READ!!! If you PM me with your email I can send you a copy of an article I wrote for the GRCC magazine which has a reading list and some useful web resources in it.

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My reason for not FF is that I dont feel he needs it. He does bring back anything I toss out for him and he has delieved to hand since he was 9wks old.
Your dog is very young. Its great he has a natual desire to retrieve and deliver to hand. However, if you don't shape/condition/force a retrieve behvior now, you will have nothing to work with when he does refuse to deliver....which apparently he is already starting to do. With his natural talents, it should be easy. You can call it what you want, but life is more clear and fair to a dog who has a trained retrieve. Criteria is that when I say fetch, you run out as fast as you can, immediatley pick up the retrieve object and run directly back just as fast. You sit and hold without mouthing, until I tell you to release. You do this if it is cold, wet, dark, a 100 yard retrieve in a stick pond or you just don't feel like it. That's a trained retrieve. Its a beautiful thing.
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Where are the birds?

...Because the were not at Long Point on the north shore of Lake Erie yesterday!!! There had been tons of birds there on Friday (limiting out by 11am!) but by Sunday it was like a duck ghost town! Are you seeing fresh birds in Ohio/Penn/NY, anyone?

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