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"Shopping" in 3 handed casting

I didn't want to let this get lost in the "weekly training" thread. I am having the "shopping" problem with Riot, especially the past few days. It seems more like he has to know where each bumper is before he will willingly take the cast. If he doesn't see it instantly when he turns to take the cast, he will veer off to another he can see. I can tell he was taking the right direction, but then loses his confidence/trust. Is this something that will come with time? Should I make sure that I am still working in completely cut and short grass right now so that he can easily see all the bumpers? What kind of distance do we need to be working up to before moving on?

Sorry for all the questions. It seems like TRT includes great info but not all the specifics and little details that I need (or think I need). I'm thinking of contacting Amy and John Dahl at Oakhill kennels (about an hour south of me) and setting up a private lesson every two weeks or so. Just so I can make sure we are moving in the right direction and get troubleshooting help if needed.

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I'm too new to have an answer, but I think taking lessons is a great idea!! I love ours, it really puts me on the right track.



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The Dahls -- what a great opportunity! This is a great idea even if you weren't having any trouble.
I think you answered my question. My question is are the piles readily visible? The answer sounds like no. You ABSOLUTELY should be doing casting in LOW to NO cover so the bumpers are easily visible to the dog at all times. Not only does this make casting more successful but also puts in a lot of suction for the dog to learn to cast away from. If you absolutely cannot find a place with adequately short cover to set up your drills, then put stakes at the piles so he can see those. I think if you do this you will solve a lot of your problems. You are skipping ahead and asking more than he knows.

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I didn't want to let this get lost in the "weekly training" thread. I am having the "shopping" problem with Riot, especially the past few days. It seems more like he has to know where each bumper is before he will willingly take the cast. If he doesn't see it instantly when he turns to take the cast, he will veer off to another he can see. I can tell he was taking the right direction, but then loses his confidence/trust. Is this something that will come with time? Should I make sure that I am still working in completely cut and short grass right now so that he can easily see all the bumpers? What kind of distance do we need to be working up to before moving on?
In 3HC the Back bumper is just a few feet behind the dog, with Overs about 12-15 feet. The dog should be on a rope for sure, but low pressure control.


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Also this is not shopping. Shopping is when the dog arrives to the pile of bumpers and rather than grab the first one he comes to and return, he picks up one, drops it, picks up another, drops it, etc, etc.

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Also this is not shopping. Shopping is when the dog arrives to the pile of bumpers and rather than grab the first one he comes to and return, he picks up one, drops it, picks up another, drops it, etc, etc.
That makes much more sense. I guess my problem could be called "Marie not putting the bumpers where Riot can always see them." I'll back up and make sure he can see them easily. Thanks!

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You may notice in the video that only one bumper is placed at each cast location. Using piles for 3HC is adding an invitation for needless side issues.

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Hey Anney, have you found dogs trained with utility articles are more likely to shop the bumper pile? When we first started doing pile work, Tito would shop. (sometimes still does, but not too much). I often thought he was looking for the "hot scented bumper" because he was actually sniffing each one, sometimes even mouth scenting them.
I was more concerned that the opposite would happen; he'd run to the article pile and just grab, but it didn't seem to be an issue.
He quickly learned that this was not an expectation in this venue, but I was curious if you've seen that, too.


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Also this is not shopping. Shopping is when the dog arrives to the pile of bumpers and rather than grab the first one he comes to and return, he picks up one, drops it, picks up another, drops it, etc, etc.



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Oh good lord yes, Fisher is a bad shopper and I've never done much about it. He had problems with articles that I don't wish to revisit so shopping is a battle I very consciously refuse to engage in! LOL All it means is I have to wait a little longer for him to find the right one on drills. I honestly do not think it is avoidance with him. Fisher also has very specific bumper preferences so he really is looking for the best one
With Slater I nipped that baloney in the bud! LOL He doesn't shop.

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Ah, that is in keeping with what I thought, too.
To be perfectly honest, I don't understand what the problem is with a little bit of shopping. I mean really, when they go out for a mark or blind, it's not like they have a lot of birds to choose from!


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Oh good lord yes, Fisher is a bad shopper and I've never done much about it. He had problems with articles that I don't wish to revisit so shopping is a battle I very consciously refuse to engage in! LOL All it means is I have to wait a little longer for him to find the right one on drills. I honestly do not think it is avoidance with him. Fisher also has very specific bumper preferences so he really is looking for the best one
With Slater I nipped that baloney in the bud! LOL He doesn't shop.



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