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Lyme Vaccine???

Looking for opinions.

Our vet is really pushing the Lyme Vaccine on us. We do live in a pretty tick heavy area (Upstate NY/Vermont) and we do hike often.

Our trainer, who is a breeder and owns 7 of her own dogs, competes in obedience and agility told us it is a pointless vaccine. She said that it is not effective and that dogs can still get lyme even after being vaccinated. She has had dogs test positive for lyme and always treats them with a course of Doxy even if the dogs are asymptomatic.

So, I am wondering if we should vaccinate Denver or not. I am really more on the side of minimal vaccines and I plan to titer when the time comes. Does the lyme vaccine work? He is on flea/tick preventative and we have found 4 ticks so far just crawling on him even hours after we come inside. None have bitten him/latched on.

Any help/opinions would be appreciated!
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We have a lot of Lyme's disease here. A study was done and one out of three tested positive for it. But still my vet said the same as yours the vaccine is not effective. The vet does like people to use oral flea and tick preventative. He recommends a 3 month to save money but I do a 30 day.


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My vet has said that it's not very effective since back around 2006 and to just put my money into flea and tick preventative. The way she described it to me was consider it about a 10% increase in protection if you wanted to put a percentage to it. I have never worried about using the Lyme shot for my dogs.

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So basically our vet said we should definitely do it...our trainer said it is not worth it. I am leaning toward not doing the vaccine. We do Nexgard (30 day) and so far we haven't had any issues, ticks or fleas.

The vet was just pushing it so hard that I was wondering if they just push it to make money or it as actually worth it. Thanks for the replies so far!
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Lyme vaccine effectiveness is highly variable. Some dogs immune systems will respond to the vaccine and create antibodies against the bacteria that causes Lyme (called seroconversion) and some dogs immune systems won't. So it's an oddball vaccine. According to the meta-analysis in the link below, for the dogs that do respond to the vaccine, they are less likely to develop symptomatic Lyme. But I think tick prevention is the most important thing here since the vaccine effectiveness is variable.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6335541/
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Lyme vaccine effectiveness is highly variable. Some dogs immune systems will respond to the vaccine and create antibodies against the bacteria that causes Lyme (called seroconversion) and some dogs immune systems won't. So it's an oddball vaccine. According to the meta-analysis in the link below, for the dogs that do respond to the vaccine, they are less likely to develop symptomatic Lyme. But I think tick prevention is the most important thing here since the vaccine effectiveness is variable.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6335541/
interesting study. Sounds like there is still more work to be done but there is some promise. Always worried about unanticipated side effects.
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But I think tick prevention is the most important thing here since the vaccine effectiveness is variable.
I wondering what everyone does for flea/tick prevention? I'm really uncomfortable with the ingestible flea/tick preventatives (we had one dog get sick and barf when we tried Trifecta), and with a 6.5 month old puppy that still puts everything in his mouth, I'm not sure a flea/tick collar is a good option for us (although I guess we could put one on him but not one on our senior, so if B grabs at H's collar, he isn't grabbing the medicated collar). ARGH - neither seems like a good option! And there just seems to be a lot of tick this year in CA!

(I say this also as I found a tick hanging out on the wall by senior's bed this AM in our family room - I did a search on both boys and didn't find anything, but still totally skeeved out the tick was in the house...ugh, he probably has friends...gearing up for a weekend of deep cleaning...)
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My vet does not recommend the Lyme vaccine. We have used Nexgard for several years without any issues.

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My vet does not recommend the Lyme vaccine. We have used Nexgard for several years without any issues.
Ditto, my vet is saying the vaccine is not effective, hard on the body and needs to be repeated twice yearly to have any effect.
I regularly walk with a dog who got lyme 2 years ago. The dog was vaccinated.

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I wondering what everyone does for flea/tick prevention? I'm really uncomfortable with the ingestible flea/tick preventatives (we had one dog get sick and barf when we tried Trifecta), and with a 6.5 month old puppy that still puts everything in his mouth, I'm not sure a flea/tick collar is a good option for us (although I guess we could put one on him but not one on our senior, so if B grabs at H's collar, he isn't grabbing the medicated collar). ARGH - neither seems like a good option! And there just seems to be a lot of tick this year in CA!

(I say this also as I found a tick hanging out on the wall by senior's bed this AM in our family room - I did a search on both boys and didn't find anything, but still totally skeeved out the tick was in the house...ugh, he probably has friends...gearing up for a weekend of deep cleaning...)
I don't love the idea of systemic flea/tick preventatives. That said, there really aren't any better options. Every medication is pros vs cons. I use Nexguard for my girl because I live in a Lyme endemic area - I had Lyme when I was kid in the 80s, docs didn't know how to treat it back then and I have a deformed (enlarged) thumb joint to show for it. Thankfully, we have not seen any side effects from the Nexguard for our pup. But I have found dead deer ticks that fell off of her. They're so tiny that I don't think we ever would have found them during our tick checks. In our area, about 40% of deer ticks are infected w/ Lyme. We opted to do the tick borne disease panel for Luna at her 1 year old check up and it was negative. We did give her the Lyme vaccine last year when she was getting her puppy vaccinations because my vet said she had not seen any adverse side effects yet. We didn't see any either but it would be interesting if they could do a titer on her to see if she did seroconvert or if it was just Nexguard that prevented infection.

As someone in the pharmaceutical industry, my instinctive thought is to go with topical treatments instead but I had a kitten that spent a week in the ICU from an over-the-counter flea/tick bath product that caused a seizure and almost killed her. So I stick with the better tested vet recommended treatments.

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