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If you have purchased a puppy who is showing possible congenital defects, and question validity of AKC registration clearances, is there any benefit to go to state licensing agency to invesitgate breeder... I have investigated puppy lemon laws, and warranty of merchantability, and hope to prevent others from falling into this English Creme puppy mill....your thoughts? I have collected evidence from vet as well as akc site, but wonder if it is futile......
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Depends on the defects, depends on the clearances behind the dog.

I don't want to defend bad breeders, but there are some things which cannot be guaranteed even with excellent breeders.

You stack the odds in your favor by avoiding impulsive decisions when purchasing puppies and by screening for breeders who are doing the best they can to improve or maintain good health and looks and quality of purebred goldens.

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For the3record, it was not an an impulsive purchase, but my take from your reply is you get whaqt you get...not much of a response, however falsyfying clearancesw is a problem for me...Will look into it without the help of the forum...
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Val - let me rephrase...

What you have gone through with your pup is awful. No dog should lose that many teeth!

But there are no clearances for teeth. There is a full dentition thing which some breeders do, but as this is a breed that does not have NQ's for missing teeth - breeders do not often go out of their way to send a full dentition write up to post on OFA. You get that more with working breeds like rottweilers who DO have NQ's for missing teeth.

With goldens - there are certain lines which have issues with missing teeth. These are the premolars sometimes or typically.

When a dog has lost as many teeth as yours has... what I think you might be looking into is something more of a trauma which occurred either at the breeders, or something during the first 1-2 months with you. With young puppies - the teeth and their buds/roots are crammed close together. A serious injury could wipe out a ton of teeth!

Falsifying clearances - hips, elbows, eyes, heart. Absolutely is a problem. If you have proof of this happening - I would see what I could do. I dislike dishonesty and false advertisement above all other things with some of these greeders out there. There's a lot of people who know that puppy buyers can be misguided very easily with fancy websites, beautiful dogs on site, and adorable puppies.

Again, what your pup has gone through is awful. More than that - the lack of support from the breeder is upsetting.


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I agree that it is the falsifying of clearance possession that you can go after. Unfortunately AKC is not going to give you a hand on that. The teeth- I would assume something happened early on that caused that issue but had you known clearances were not there as you were told, you probably wouldn't have been the person who was living w the bills on her mouth...
so if I remember right, there are two states involved-check both for lemon law- and report breeder to the various rip-off agencies, there is even one online called ripoff reports- you might (if you are a good speaker) represent yourself in court against the breeder as well. Judgements don't require actual payment but if you could win without a lawyer you could at least mess up the credit since I don't think anyone in today's time pays judgements.
I also don't think Kate was saying YOU were an impulse buyer- but that impulse buying is the root of most of these scenarios... which you know of course.
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According to the vet, many existing teeth showed lack of formation or minimal root formation....this was not injury..I expect a lifetime of potential dental problems...poor little baby...lesson learned....
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I guess if my dog is not dying from cancer yet, this is not a bgf deal..Iy's a big deal to me, obviously this site is for more drama...I will quit the site for lack o support...
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Every state is going to have different laws but will say my breeder was in OK., I am in TX. I filed a complaint on my breeder to AKC, the state of OK and anyone I could find that might have authority. It was a total waste of time. The breeder threatened to sue, she also contacted OFA and had the failed clearance removed. OFA and I had words and it was reposted, along with every failed clearance since... seems they find something new with every visit. At least if people do research the info is there.

At one point the breeder demanded I return the puppy for a replacement, even offered to make the 5 hr drive to pick up. Well offered is a little strong... she demanded I relinquish the pup. After the 2nd failed eye exam this was again offered. After getting the dog spayed she said she would give me a puppy without returning my girl. What was she going to do?? resell or breed?? But at no time did she offer a refund or compensation for all the vet bills but to her this was an acceptable and as she put it "above and beyond" gesture.

I've tried to reach out on every golden ret. FB page I can find to post information so siblings can be tested but not one person responded. In fact only 2 pups were registered, until all of a sudden the rest were registered all at the same time? AKC required the breeder to register all the pups to participate in the "breeder of merit" program... AKC intervention?? Only a guess.

I declined the puppy and hope to never deal with this horrible, rude and aggressive person again. All I ever wanted to do was warn people she was a very well disguised puppy mill. When I googled her name it turned out she had multiple breeds under several kennel names, much of what she posted on website was not true... according to her vet. I can only hope she cleaned up her act, her kennels and actually did what she advertised. And that NO ONE else had to go through 4 months of sick puppy. LOL a couple of thousand would have been nice :-) but never offered and never asked.

At some point I had to take responsibility for my lack of research. After the fact I learned so much on how to find information. I adore my girl and grateful every day I did not return her. The breeder is supposed to provide the answers to questions you don't know to ask. But like any good used car sales person, they tell you what you want to hear to make a sale.. and that's on me.
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I guess if my dog is not dying from cancer yet, this is not a bgf deal..Iy's a big deal to me, obviously this site is for more drama...I will quit the site for lack o support...
Well, folks have offered you suggestions- for instance, the lemon laws- you never stated where you took possession of pup. But if it happened to be in FL, you might have gotten lucky.
If NV who knows.
We've offered you what we know on dentition- but you have way more info than we do on your pup and ultimately it will be you who has to go after the breeder. (unless of course she has had her palm reader tell her about you and hides- what a nut)
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My dog came from New Mexico...filed BBB complaint, complaint to AKC....no response from either...breeder hung up on me and is nonresponsive....22 states have lemon laws...not NM altho I think I would clearly win in small claims cour...I hope to get the word out that this is a horrible breeder and stay clear of MOTHER'S FARM SCHOOL AKC GOLDEN RETRIEVERS in Santa Fe, NM...
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