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Torn ACL?

My almost 7-year-old Golden, Henry, appears to have a torn ACL. It has back left leg. I say appears to have because we're waiting to get to the Vet.
When he was just over 3 he was playing at a dog park where the play area is on a slope. It was summer so the dirt was dry and he must have slipped while playing. I heard a yelp then he was limping. It seemed to get better so I actually didn't think about it for a long time. Several months ago he started displaying new behavior. We would go on our morning hike, he would come home and take a nap then would be limping when he got up from his nap. The limp went away fairly soon and he would be walking normally. This past Saturday we went on a hike and because it had been raining nicely we let him plop down in the water in this wetland about halfway through our hike. He was so happy to be in the water he did his usual happy dance/growl after shaking himself off and within seconds there was that loud yelp I remembered from years ago. He could barely walk and we still had a distance to get back to the car. He would hobble along then lay down. He's been resting all weekend. We've been giving him CBD treats, I bought him a heated bed and he seems to be adapting. Today if he only has a few steps to go he will put his toe down and use the bad let to stabilize. If he has farther to go he will hop on 3 legs.
I've been reading the posts about the ACL surgery. Everyone has positive things to say about recovery and long term normalcy. We will be getting X-rays tomorrow and the vet said it was time for a non-steroidal shot to help him along and that then we would discuss the options. I've read about cold laser, surgery, self-healing....Henry weighs about 80lbs, is very, very tall and very fit. He eats a combo of raw and grain-free, gets Chinese Herbs, Vitamin E, Curcumin and Salmon Oil in his food. My heart is broken.

I would love feedback from the community.
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My Robbie had TPLO surgery on his knee. After recovery he was solid on that knee for ten years. Have it surgically repaired if it's torn, that is the only way he will be able to be go back to the fully active life you want for him. If you try to let it heal on it's own he will never be able to be as active as he was before the injury.

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Our Max tore his left ACL in August of 2017 at age 7. He was injured in a soft, sandy, river bed near the beach. He was able to limp back to the car. We tried rehab for a couple of months, but could see that was not going to work. He had TPLO surgery in November. By 16 weeks or so post op, he was cleared for full activity. He is a big boy, at over 130 pounds, but recovery went well. Our surgeon recommended rest, and he was only allowed out to potty on a leash for several weeks. Worst was the cone. There are some Facebook groups that can give you more information.
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Sorry to hear about Henry. Several years ago I had a Golden with a torn acl ccl. Fully torn, walking on 3 legs. The vet did a hard sales pitch on tplo knee surgery or tta surgery but after talking to others with dogs who went thru the nightmares of tplo, pain and suffering, massive infections, never walking normally again, etc, we decided against those painful and life altering side effects. A vet tech that attended the World Veterinary Meeting saw the custom acl ccl Posh Dog Knee Brace at the Veterinary Conference and recommended to try that as a more effective and safe compared to the painful knee surgery. The Posh dog knee brace supported the knee, and my Golden was able to walk on all 4 legs for short dogs walks from day one when the posh brace was fitted, then the dog walks got longer and longer and in a couple months was walking normally. Years went by, and walked normally ever since. The vet still wants to sell the surgery anyway, but the Posh brace works better than surgery. Take a look at PoshDogKneeBrace .com right away as that custom brace is very effective and safe. Why put poor Henry thru a painful knee surgery.

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Our girl, Jazz, had TPLO surgery. Wonít lie and say the recovery was easy; but we took it very slow and conservatively. Once she recovered she never had another problem with either leg. She died at 8/9 years from kidney issue, and never exhibited any signs of arthritis in the leg. She was also on JD by Science Diet, salmon oil, and glucosamine/condroitin her whole life.
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Sept 15, 2018: The AVMA Admits That TPLO Dog Knee Surgery Causes Bone Cancer, Which Is Very Often Fatal!




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Sept 15, 2018: The AVMA Admits That TPLO Dog Knee Surgery Causes Bone Cancer, Which Is Very Often Fatal!




I have read this too regarding the TPLO but have read that TTA has less incidence of bone cancer. Something to think about. I have read that TTA is easier to reverse if there's problems with it and easier recovery than TPLO. My Callie had TTA and we unfortunately lost her 3 weeks later. Suspected blood clot. We don't know for sure. If that is indeed what happened, it is very rare. I have known many whose dogs had the TTA and had no problems. If OP decides to do surgery, follow recommendations for aftercare exactly. Callie got out of her enclosed area and hobbled up the stairs one night 7 days after surgery. In hindsight, I wish I would have slept with her so she wouldn't have been anxious. Callie also did underwater treadmill PT and cold laser which prevented arthritis from setting in. If there is a complete tear, then surgery is best option from what I have learned. IF partial tear, there is stem cell, prolotherapy, or platelet rich plasma (PRP) which can heal the tear. I wouid suggest looking into those too. Preventing arthritis is key if you decide against surgery. Seek advice from a holistic vet and PT. Good luck.
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My Golden had a complete tear and only able to walk on 3 legs. All 3 vets diagnosed it as a full tear with a fully torn meniscus. The orthopedic surgeons only wanted to sell tplo or tta because that is all they sell is surgery so a surgeon does not sell any alternatives as their primary business is to sell surgery. TTA also has some very bad side effects, as the previous comment mentioned. A vet tech mentioned that a Posh Dog Knee Brace featured at the World Veterinary Conference would be the most effective at healing a torn acl or ccl knee and it is safe as no risk of severe infections, no risk of amputation of the leg, less arthritis then those that buy the surgery, no risk of bone cancer, as she saw many dogs with tplo succumb to bone cancer just at the vet clinics where she worked, and saw many problems and failures with the tta surgery too. The vet tech had assisted many surgeons on 100's of tplo and tta surgeries, and said most vets and surgeons are not completely honest upfront with customers about the many severe health issues, failures, and forced to do an amputation, that happen with tplo or tta surgery. We did opt for a Posh Dog Knee Brace and with the support of the posh brace, even with a full tear, was able to start short dog walks from day one, and in less than 3 weeks the meniscus had healed, and the dog walks got longer each week. Even in the house without the brace, she was already walking normally on 4 legs, but we continued with the Posh Brace for dog walks and outside activities for several more months as recommended to make sure she would be strong enough to walk normally and to return to her active lifestyle. We also learned that by starting with a brace there would be less arthritis. Arthritis is worse in the dogs that get the tplo or tta surgery. We are happy that we learned that there was a safe more effective alternative than tplo or tta surgery. If this ever happens to another of my Goldens or any dog, I would get the Posh brace immediately and never buy the risky painful surgery. I am very thankful to know there is an effective safe alternative for a torn acl or ccl. I don't want other Goldens to suffer from a painful knee surgery when there is an effective safe option to heal a fully torn or partially acl or ccl. Most Pet Insurance Companies will pay for a Posh Dog Knee Brace because it works. My pet insurance paid 90% for mine. Hope this helps.
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Sept 15, 2018: The AVMA Admits That TPLO Dog Knee Surgery Causes Bone Cancer, Which Is Very Often Fatal!




You need to provide more than just a bolded comment to assert this kind of alarmist statement. Where are the reports of this supposed issue?

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Here are one of the articles and there are more...

https://avmajournals .avma. org/doi/10.2450/javma.253.6.752
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