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Talk to me about showing your moderate boys...

Relative newbie here...earned only a UKC CH on my prior multipurpose-bred boy, but my current pup has more conformation breeding behind him and I'm trying to figure out if and when to show him. He's also a multipurpose breeding, and just turned 12 months. I keep him lean as we do fair amount of training for obedience and he has jumping in his future. I don't see him being a huge male - he's about 63 pounds, although he appears in standard for height (still haven't found a wicket, and I'm comparing him to other males in class). I think he's still very much maturing physically. My breeder is out of state and I'm thinking it's best to keep up with the obedience training and see how he grows. How do you figure out when (or if) to bring out your boys? How old is too old? TIA!

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Just use a tape measure or ask around your training club for a wicket.

But as long as he's 23" - no worries.

And then there are products (bodifier, etc) which + dryer can make your dog look "bigger" than he is.

Now would be a good time to show him since you can take advantage of the puppy classes.

After he ages out of the 12-18 month class, you have to re-evaluate which class to put him in. And most people just go into Open then.

I started my pup at 6 months. But he was a good sized pup. A lot of people keep dogs out if they need to grow. <= Should say, I could not have entered Bertie in shows that early.


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Somewhat depends on where you are located. Here in the Midwest the moderate dogs fair pretty well. Only show in large shows which will have judges that understand what a Golden is supposed to look like, as versus the small shows where they just put up the flashiest dog.
Ask a good handler (preferably one not looking for Golden clients at the moment) to evaluate him.
My Tito is the epitome of moderate. Showed him at 23-1/2 inches, 64 pounds, very little furnishings. He finished quickly and easily with 3 big majors.



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As an aside, there's no reason you can't continue with the obedience at the same time.



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As an aside, there's no reason you can't continue with the obedience at the same time.
Thanks so much! Yes, I actually would hesitate to send him out with a handler for that very reason - obedience is my first love and we train every day! This kiddo has a ton of zip that is fun to train but also needs to be in control, lol! I am not opposed to sending him with a handler, just would only want to do it if he was at the point he could be competitive, as that would cut into our obedience training. Any handler recommendations?

I am in the midwest - that is so good to hear that a moderate boy can get a look. I see so many males that are more in the 80 pound range - I don't see mine ever getting that large, although the breeder says he'll continue to fill out and build muscle for a while. I see him as a 65-70 dog, at the most (if that!). I'm actually guessing he'll be mid-standard height-wise - he's not short.

So is maturity something that you can get some idea by lines/pedigree? This is my Finn (k9data link below). It appears to me that his mom pointed young (is size less of an issue for girls?), but his grandpa and uncle finished their GCh when they were 2-4 years old - wondering if that was to wait for maturity?

I clearly have so much to learn!

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I bred to Skye - frozen obviously- he did not add any bone to my bitch, in fact, I would call the litter smaller than she typically produced. And they matured @ about norm.. I would also suggest you do an ICT DNA test- I got ICT from that breeding.
But super performance dogs! All of them should have been qualifiers for Outstanding producer except I made the error of putting one in a 'I do EVERYTHING' home who has way out of era, so she has done almost nothing- sad for my bitch. Skye is of course already an OS.
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I am in the midwest - that is so good to hear that a moderate boy can get a look. I see so many males that are more in the 80 pound range - I don't see mine ever getting that large, although the breeder says he'll continue to fill out and build muscle for a while. I see him as a 65-70 dog, at the most (if that!). I'm actually guessing he'll be mid-standard height-wise - he's not short.
A dog shouldn't hit 80 prior to middle age....

My pup is 65 pounds and very "puffy" (a lot of bone + fluff), and both breeders behind him nudged me about getting a couple pounds off him and keeping him lean. His breeder pointed out that the little guy didn't have a waist.... (I'm not worried about it because he's growing into himself all the time)

So weight is not so much an issue as proportion/balance.

Regarding finding a handler - check with Parker's mom (Donna) - I can't remember her member name here. One of the handlers she used (Nikki) - I've seen successfully handling more moderate type dogs.

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I bred to Skye - frozen obviously- he did not add any bone to my bitch, in fact, I would call the litter smaller than she typically produced. And they matured @ about norm.. I would also suggest you do an ICT DNA test- I got ICT from that breeding.
But super performance dogs! All of them should have been qualifiers for Outstanding producer except I made the error of putting one in a 'I do EVERYTHING' home who has way out of era, so she has done almost nothing- sad for my bitch. Skye is of course already an OS.
Thanks - so interesting. This is actually my second Skye son - lost the 1st at almost 14.5-years-old and I jumped at the chance to have another. Skye seems to have had some pups with longevity. Frozen, this time, too, obviously. 8 pups, though, so I was surprised to have so many to pick from! No ICT in my other Skye son, in fact, never had so much as a hot spot. This kid seems to have a lovely coat so far (think mom was clear), but I do want to do testing for NCL, etc., just to know what I have and will probably do a full panel at that time.

This kid is not super-heavily boned, either, but has more bone than my last Skye son (more of a working pedigree), so we'll see. There are some BIG dogs on Finn's mom's side, so I am thinking they may have wanted a moderate sire. The breeder also loves her prior Skye litter. I was also impressed that mom's side has a CH OTCH in the lines, too. This pup does have tons of drive and zip, though, and is very athletic and smart. Thank you for the info! So interesting to hear from someone who has bred to Skye!
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A dog shouldn't hit 80 prior to middle age....

My pup is 65 pounds and very "puffy" (a lot of bone + fluff), and both breeders behind him nudged me about getting a couple pounds off him and keeping him lean. His breeder pointed out that the little guy didn't have a waist.... (I'm not worried about it because he's growing into himself all the time)

So weight is not so much an issue as proportion/balance.

Regarding finding a handler - check with Parker's mom (Donna) - I can't remember her member name here. One of the handlers she used (Nikki) - I've seen successfully handling more moderate type dogs.
Haha about the weight - I take privates with an OTCH-level trainer who will comment if a dog gets so much as a pound or two overweight...which helps me keep 'em lean. Then I take my dog to conformation class where I get told to "put a few pounds on that dog!" Pretty used to that now! Haha!

Very helpful about the handlers - thank you! I'd been wondering about the one you mentioned!

Thanks, again - very helpful!

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I'm literally still trying to figure out what this was supposed to be. LOL.


@Rion05 - only caution re weight is some of the performance people out there keep the dogs too skinny for conformation. And it doesn't look that great, especially if the coats are poor. Just like carrying a little extra weight is that great either.

The dogs don't have to be that heavy. Bertie is middle aged now (last year chasing that darn last major before I retire him) and put on a few pounds, but he's still 72-75 pounds (I think I've got him back down on the lower end of that, but haven't had him in for weight check recently. In his prime (3-4 years old), he was 67-69 pounds. They don't have to be very heavy.

I think when somebody says put weight on a dog - they want to see them filled out more. Or again, groom with bodifier and dryer to add size.

Bertie was a slight dog when I started showing him in Open. I complained to a friend who actually used to be a member here (Shelly) about making my dog look like a bigger dog so he could compete against 2-3 year olds and she advised using a couple different products, including bodifier, to poof him up a little.

I don't have to do that at all with Jovi who has more poof than he should (LOL - but he did get reserve a couple weeks ago over adult dogs which made me happy). But anyway, with Bertie he did just fine with a little extra grooming.

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