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We did ringside pickup, I never sent him out, and I often showed him in obedience (UDX) and breed at the same shows. It works for some people, not for others.
I've not really shown for several years, so I think others would be better suited to suggest handlers.
Different dogs mature at different rates, with only one exception I can think of Tito puppies really aren't ready to show until they're between 2-3 years old. Tito was the same.


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Thanks so much! Yes, I actually would hesitate to send him out with a handler for that very reason - obedience is my first love and we train every day! This kiddo has a ton of zip that is fun to train but also needs to be in control, lol! I am not opposed to sending him with a handler, just would only want to do it if he was at the point he could be competitive, as that would cut into our obedience training. Any handler recommendations?

I am in the midwest - that is so good to hear that a moderate boy can get a look. I see so many males that are more in the 80 pound range - I don't see mine ever getting that large, although the breeder says he'll continue to fill out and build muscle for a while. I see him as a 65-70 dog, at the most (if that!). I'm actually guessing he'll be mid-standard height-wise - he's not short.

So is maturity something that you can get some idea by lines/pedigree? This is my Finn (k9data link below). It appears to me that his mom pointed young (is size less of an issue for girls?), but his grandpa and uncle finished their GCh when they were 2-4 years old - wondering if that was to wait for maturity?

I clearly have so much to learn!



CH Rosewood Little Giant VCD3 UDX VER RA TDX MHU SH MXP MJP MFP T2BP DJ VCX WCX CCA CGC FFX-OG (born 3-10-2007), also UCH HR UH UUD AN UJJ URO1 UHIT a.k.a. "Tito" (the Tito Monster)

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A Tito show photo. You can see he's VERY moderate, doesn't carry much coat, and had very little in the way of furnishings at the time.
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CH Rosewood Little Giant VCD3 UDX VER RA TDX MHU SH MXP MJP MFP T2BP DJ VCX WCX CCA CGC FFX-OG (born 3-10-2007), also UCH HR UH UUD AN UJJ URO1 UHIT a.k.a. "Tito" (the Tito Monster)

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My moderate dog HipHop 67 lbs excels with specific breeder judges. He was a phenom baby, finishing AM CH from 6-9 puppy. He won a specialty and some group 2s on his way to GCH. He is too small to campaign, but many appreciate him.

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Hmmmm OK here's my rambling thoughts....

1) I suggest showing in 6-9 class even if you have no other aspirations to show. Pure field or obedience prospects, it's a great experience, they learn that the ring means pets, food and getting lots of attention. They become old hats at dog shows. Now that your dog is 12+ months, you're behind the curve on that
2) Unless the dog is really put together for a youngster or has other really outstanding attributes, being competitive enough to earn points usually happens when the dog is two, three, four years old. Now he's still a good age to show in 12-18 class, which is a class I love, and have had dogs win majors out of that class, but once you hit 18 months they are in no man's land. If you're lucky you can bump up to Open and still be OK. Most dogs need to be put up for another six months or a year before they're ready to come out in open as a two year old.
3) Yes, definitely get a handler or two to evaluate him, and the longer/more mature he is to do that the better
4) Tough love time. Goldens are SUPER COMPETITIVE and THE hardest breed to finish. We have the highest point scale, we are dominated by pro handlers, and we have to groom. Other breeds that check the other two boxes have no coat! (dobes, labs, etc). People with goldens who just want to "show for fun" don't last long, because that much time, effort and money for no results...isn't fun. Dog shows are gross. After the nerves and novelty wear off, it's a freakin bummer not to win. You have to be absolutely tenacious to finish a golden.
Your boy is very pretty. I LOVE Skye. Look at my signature, I have a Morninglo dog!
BUT -- will your guy be ring material? Just looking at his stacked pic on k9data I don't know. Certainly a pretty coat and color but he's really straight in front. Unless they're fabulous everywhere else, that won't get you very far in the ring. I'm saying this now, because few people will give it to you straight up. Fronts are a big problem in our breed, we need to start recognizing them and not putting them in front of breed judges. Caveat -- maybe it's just a bad job stacking or a bad picture. But I also know that Morninglo front....all too well....
5) ABSOLUTELY take him to a CCA when he's old enough!!! You will learn a TON!!! And quite easily earn a title.

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Another thing...showing a moderate dog isn't just about finding judges who don't care about fluff and bone and flashy side gate. It means you have to find judges who don't care about fluff and bone and flashy side gate because you're bringing them a dog who is so correct and well structured that he gets noticed above and beyond the flashy fluffballs.
"Moderate" but not well structured or an inadequate mover, is just mediocre.

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Anney - you missed one. We have the highest point schedule and it doesn't reflect who is actually showing year to year! The majors are tough to find... o_O MI/OH just lost the Booths and I'm still not sure what's going on with the entries this year as a result.

I was bemoaning the fact I forgot to enter a golden specialty (Toledo) last week - and then I looked at the entries and felt relieved. No majors.

You have a 5 day cluster this week in Western MI which sometimes gets majors the same time as Cinci. I'm so relieved I picked Cinci again this year, because the numbers are REALLY LOW in Kalamazoo.

And looking ahead through the rest of the year, I'm not seeing many opportunities for majors while staying close to home aside from big obvious ones like Monroe. The judges aren't that great either. I can't travel around the country and won't send Bert out, so it really stinks!

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Anney - you missed one. We have the highest point schedule and it doesn't reflect who is actually showing year to year! The majors are tough to find... o_O MI/OH just lost the Booths and I'm still not sure what's going on with the entries this year as a result.

I was bemoaning the fact I forgot to enter a golden specialty (Toledo) last week - and then I looked at the entries and felt relieved. No majors.

You have a 5 day cluster this week in Western MI which sometimes gets majors the same time as Cinci. I'm so relieved I picked Cinci again this year, because the numbers are REALLY LOW in Kalamazoo.

And looking ahead through the rest of the year, I'm not seeing many opportunities for majors while staying close to home aside from big obvious ones like Monroe. The judges aren't that great either. I can't travel around the country and won't send Bert out, so it really stinks!
We lost the Booths?!? When did this happen? EDIT: Went to their website and investigated... So they are retiring from professional handling, but will continue breeding and showing their own dogs...

I think the Columbus show had majors a few weeks ago. Wish I could go to the Cinci specialty, but puppy is still too young and Rocket needs a good long break from Triple Q's.

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I think they went back to CA to be closer to family + they are still handling their own dogs.

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Thanks K9Designs - my pup was pulled up very high in the front in that photo and it does make him look straight in the front - you are right! He had just done a flying leap off of the stacking area after tossed bait and we were just trying to get him to hold still (realized he’s also not ready for flying bait)! I don’t have people to help me stack and take photos very often and I just was trying to get one of him stacked. That’s not to say he’s perfect, but maybe I need to lose that photo because he usually does look better than that when not pulled up. Still, yes, goldens are competitive (I did know that) and we may just dabble in UKC and try a CCA. Thank you for your honesty!
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A Tito show photo. You can see he's VERY moderate, doesn't carry much coat, and had very little in the way of furnishings at the time.
He's so handsome and talented! Love him!

Finn https://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=923192 (d.o.b. 4/26/18)
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