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Question Avoid Quivira Golden breeder

So I recently purchased a new puppy from a breeder who insisted that the her pups were "cleared by parentage" when I asked about PRA, Degenerative Myelopathy, Ichthyosis etc. My plan was to possibly breed the dog after he was two and his hips were checked. However, I just did a Pawprint DNA and he came back as a "Carrier" for PRA 2. I'm very disappointed, but have learned that if he is bred with another dog that is "clear", that future breeds down the line will eventually "weed" out this mutation. Do I have the correct information? And more importantly, would any breeder even touch this dog?

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If this dog is a breeding prospect I'd be more worried about what's in the pedigree if he came from an irresponsible breeder. He may not turn out to be breeding worthy for 100 reasons, he's only a puppy. He needs hips and elbows after 2, eyes annually by an Opthalmologist and heart by a cardiologist. If he's really special, the PRA 2 status shouldn't be an issue if the bitch is clear. However, there's thousands of really great boys out there that are clear so again he'd have to be really special. You'll also have to always verify that any females are actually tested clear; I wouldn't trust clear by parentage.

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Assuming the dog is otherwise worthy of being bred, this shouldn't weed him out of all breeding. But likely only "clear" bitches would go to him.

So, the way this works is that there are two alleles for for each gene location. In the case of PRA it is a simple recessive. So if you breed your boy to a clear girl, there is a statistical probability that some of the puppies will get the PRA allele and be carriers, and others will get the clear allele and be clear, but absolutely none of them will be affected. Every time one of the carrier pups is bred, the chance of passing on that PRA allele exists, and it can keep going, generation after generation. The only way to eradicate it from the line completely is to only breed dogs with both alleles clear.

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Thanks! I figured as much He will still be a great companion dog. I just wish I had taken some more time to research and push for paperwork instead of being "trusting". Lesson learned, but a joy was earned!
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I actually signed up at k9data.com and created a "pedigree" based on the information that the breeder gave me by phone. Here is the link:
Pedigree: Quivira Golden's Maximus

Had he been totally clear, I would have went ahead and done the OFAs, eyes, hips, etc when he reached two.
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Oh boy!

You do realize all the health certifications are missing on his parent if what you have is right?

Sorry that this doesn’t seem to indicate what your were hoping for and probably thought you were getting.


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Thanks! I figured as much He will still be a great companion dog. I just wish I had taken some more time to research and push for paperwork instead of being "trusting". Lesson learned, but a joy was earned!
Well I am already jeleous of you and if this cutie would be mine, wouldn't breed at all. One of a kind !!!! So handsome, so picturesque
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I actually signed up at k9data.com and created a "pedigree" based on the information that the breeder gave me by phone. Here is the link:
Pedigree: Quivira Golden's Maximus

Had he been totally clear, I would have went ahead and done the OFAs, eyes, hips, etc when he reached two.
there is no bitch by the name Quivira Golden's Chico (and Chico is a male name so kinda odd) *his dam* on AKC or OFA. ..and the sire has no clearances at all. I don't see your dog by that name on AKC either.

Paula, since you have the ear of the breeder, if you do not have your pup's AKC paperwork please ask for AKC # of the dam and either let someone know or correct what's on k9data. It's the record- it needs to be right. And I am sure if she sold you a full reg puppy, the dam IS AKC registered, there's just an error on k9data that needs correcting.
If you DO have the AKC reg paperwork please put MAx's AKC# in there (it is on the top right and will start with SS and end w 0_) and input his dam's AKC number and check the spelling and punctuation on her name. What's there now is not right.
PRA2 least of the worries,imo. I'd do OFAs [email protected] 2, so that you know if there is anything to anticipate or worry about. And send them in. You don't have to be able to make money on a dog to make clearances worthwhile... None of this breeder's dogs appear to have a full set of clearances, and it's obvious she sells puppies on full registration without knowing if they are worth breeding, since you have one you planned to breed. .very sad to me.

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I went to the Quivira Goldens FB page hoping to find Chico's AKC name because I am a k9data freak and need to know it is right and not dependent on someone else spelling correctly, etc...
oddly they advertise a Chico X Winston litter going home June 22 2019, and a Chico X Ike litter going home July 10.
This makes zero sense.
Aspen X Winston and Holly X Winston both Feb 2019- and no dogs on their website @ all but Winston.

The breeder just doesn't know proper way to list a sireXdam. Male name aLWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS goes first. It just makes life confusing, especially when one has a bitch with a male name (as in Chico, above).

With the multiple numbers of litters coming @ weird times (not the same time) from Chico, according to FB, that can't be a dual sire litter- they aren't born @ two diff times- maybe breeder made mistake on whose puppies are whose on FB but who doesn't know who the dam is?
Spidey senses going here...

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I'm guessing these aren't AKC registered puppies as a search on AKC shows only 12 registered goldens carrying the Quivira prefix and the breeder's website does not state they're selling AKC registrable puppies. So if the OP was looking to breed, there are much bigger problems than just being a carrier for PRA. I would still encourage anyone willing to do clearances to do them regardless if being bred or not--adds another data point to the overall health of the breed.

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