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Which breeder?

Hello I’ve already posted a few times on here but I’m trying to decide between two breeders. One of which is Berryhill Retrievers and the other is Carova Golden Retrievers. It seems to me that Carova is the more well known reputable breeder and on my other post it seemed there were a few issues with Berryhill. But Berryhill was recommended to me by another breeder. Also Carovas would cost about a total of 3500 and Berryhill around 1800. I’m new to this and I’m not sure how to check health clearances/if I’m doing it right. I just want to make sure I’m making the right choice. Is the higher cost worth it?? If anyone can help that would be great thanks!

Berryhill: http://berryhillretrievers.bravesites.com/
Carova: https://carovagoldenretrievers.com/

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I don't find clearances on the Berryhill bitch- BerryHill None of Your Beeswax (honey).
So that one is for me a complete no-go.

I had some issues reading through the Carova site, and figuring out who actually owned the bitches- I left the site still unsure if it was a fair co-own or one of those guardian things. The dogs appear to have all their clearances, though I would point out that neither sire nor dam of the stud dog on the litter had an elbow clearance, maternal grandparents no clearances and really just spotty in general on the whole bottom half of his pedigree. https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1304624 only you know if $3k is too much for your budget- it strikes me as a high price for puppies out of unfinished dam without generations of clearances both sideways and back on both sire and dam personally but that's my own opinion.

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I agree with prism on Berryhill, and I find it pretty odd that it seems every girl and a couple of boys listed the Carova site are ALL sired by GCH Harborview Under Construction if I'm read that correctly. One dog should not be the complete backbone of a breeding program imo. Not sure if go with Carova. Though I've heard nothing but good things about Harborview

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I don't find clearances on the Berryhill bitch- BerryHill None of Your Beeswax (honey).
So that one is for me a complete no-go.

I had some issues reading through the Carova site, and figuring out who actually owned the bitches- I left the site still unsure if it was a fair co-own or one of those guardian things. The dogs appear to have all their clearances, though I would point out that neither sire nor dam of the stud dog on the litter had an elbow clearance, maternal grandparents no clearances and really just spotty in general on the whole bottom half of his pedigree. https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1304624 only you know if $3k is too much for your budget- it strikes me as a high price for puppies out of unfinished dam without generations of clearances both sideways and back on both sire and dam personally but that's my own opinion.
Should I ask the breeder the reason for not having elbow clearances or should I just start looking elsewhere?
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The breeder is not the owner of the stud dog...
there isn't any reason- either they failed or they didn't do them- by 2001, I'd guess more than 75% had elbow clearances if they were even remotely involved in dogs. It became a part of the Code in 2000. If you click on the link and scroll down, where you see hips and no elbows, or V/V, by now 20 years later it is an obvious fail because even remote country vets know to do both nowadays. Where you see a word (such as normal) in the elbow column and nothing in the hip column that's a preliminary check and that dog almost certainly failed preliminary hips. Where you see a two different dates w hips and elbows that means they had one checked and then repeated, one can presume to get a better rating. But as was said the other day in one of Dana's threads, you really want to find good clearances 10 gen back. Three gen back at a bare minimum. Sometimes it might be worth gambling if price is an issue and pricing is way less on the spotty clearances pedigree puppies.

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I found her: Berryhill It's None Of Your Beeswax!
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Thank you for your thoughts on my Carova site. I will be reworking it to make things clearer for all searching . Please feel free to reach out with anything you have questions about .
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The stud dog in the upcoming Carova litter is missing his elbow clearance. He has not produced bad elbows per stud owner. When planning a breeding , we need to look at everything the dog has to offer . In this case , thirteen years old and healthy. This boy cleared his Cerf with no breeder options can breed naturally and still play fetch . I filtered in his wonderful temperament so he became the full package for me.
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do they have a webcam so you can check on the puppies 24 7. and how the breeder is caring for them. I'm assuming for $3500 u want a show dog?
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do they have a webcam so you can check on the puppies 24 7. and how the breeder is caring for them. I'm assuming for $3500 u want a show dog?
Way more goes into what makes a 'show dog' than just the price of the dog. You'll learn on this forum that puppies kept as show prospects cost just the same as a puppy from the same litter going to a pet home. Most if not ALL performance dogs are first and foremost family pets.
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