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Ofa ok?

Can I get another pair of eyes on this pairing. I’m really excited about it - From Goldnote north of Toronto 🙂. Thanks

Dam - So Pisa to meet you “Avery”

Sire - CH. Chrys-Haefen Look at Kyon “Lukas”
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Avery has no OFA record w the CKC # on k9data..
Lukas is all good.

The odd thing on Avery- look @ change record on k9data: Change history for Goldnote's So Pisa To Meet You they input OFA, twice, and Lesley took it off. This was over a year ago. There is nothing on OFA. It costs barely anything to list heart/eyes...and it is a part of the CoE to list them, not just do them but list them on our only verifiable database, OFA. As well, they input OFA Good/normal for hips & elbows twice, and they are just not there- by name or reg number. To my eye, he is fine, she is not.

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I am expecting more heated emails. The owner of K9data has been clear that claiming any of the Big 4 clearances and not being able to verify them on the OFA site is not cool, especially after they have produced a litter.

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Goldnote - Avery

This is Bruce Brown from Goldnote Golden Retrievers. Avery holds an OFA preliminary consultation report from the age of 23 months. Her hips were rated as good and her elbows as normal on application number 1953975. This is a valid clearance for breeding under the Golden Retriever Club of Canada's (GRCC) code of ethics. The Ontario Veterinary College did hip and elbow clearances for many years, using 18 months as the minimum age requirement.

In speaking with a respected breeder and member of the GRCC it was explained to me that as the Ontario Veterinary College did clearances beginning at 18 months of age, the GRCC continues to recognize this benchmark, provided the x-rays are read by an appropriately qualified governing body. All of these criteria apply to Avery.

All puppy families can request to see these clearances, and are given copies of all clearances during our puppy placement process.

With regards to K9data, I now realize that if I indicate clearances as "preliminary", it shouldn’t cause a problem with K9data going forward.
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Bruce I'm a rookie by breeder standards but not sure I interpret the code the same way unless this dog received prelims before 2012. The only mention of 18 months is with penn hip. The referenced college dissolved 7 years ago.... why wouldn't you use current coe standards of 24 months? I'm just asking from a learning POV.

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Selection of Breeding Stock:
The breeder must ensure that all breeding is carried out with the Canadian Kennel Club breed standard in mind.
The breeder uses only healthy adult dogs and bitches that are at least 24 months of age that are physically and mentally sound.
In consideration of the aim of the overall improvement of the breed, the breeder must decline any breeding when the presence of any undesirable or potentially debilitating genetic or behavioural trait is known or suspected in either the sire or the dam. As a minimum requirement, all breeding stock should hold:
A certificate of examination from the Ontario Veterinary College (OVC) prior to its discontinuation of its registry in 2012, indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia; or a report of examination from the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia at the minimum age of 24 months; or a report of examination from BVA (British Veterinary Association) indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia at a minimum age of 24 months, or a report of examination from PennHip at a minimum age of 18 months indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia; or an appropriate clearance from the dog’s country of residency.
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This is Bruce Brown from Goldnote Golden Retrievers. Avery holds an OFA preliminary consultation report from the age of 23 months. Her hips were rated as good and her elbows as normal on application number 1953975. This is a valid clearance for breeding under the Golden Retriever Club of Canada's (GRCC) code of ethics. The Ontario Veterinary College did hip and elbow clearances for many years, using 18 months as the minimum age requirement.

In speaking with a respected breeder and member of the GRCC it was explained to me that as the Ontario Veterinary College did clearances beginning at 18 months of age, the GRCC continues to recognize this benchmark, provided the x-rays are read by an appropriately qualified governing body. All of these criteria apply to Avery.

All puppy families can request to see these clearances, and are given copies of all clearances during our puppy placement process.

With regards to K9data, I now realize that if I indicate clearances as "preliminary", it shouldn’t cause a problem with K9data going forward.
"As a minimum requirement, all breeding stock should hold:
A certificate of examination from the Ontario Veterinary College (OVC) prior to its discontinuation of its registry in 2012, indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia; or [B]a report of examination from the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia at the minimum age of 24 months[/B]; or a report of examination from BVA (British Veterinary Association) indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia at a minimum age of 24 months, or a report of examination from PennHip at a minimum age of 18 months indicating no evidence of hip dysplasia; or an appropriate clearance from the dog’s country of residency."

Nowhere do I see any 'out' for prelims.
A prelim is not a clearance.

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So I'm just going to ask because I'm wondering. Why would you do prelims at 23 months? One more month and it's official, right? I understand prelims are reviewed by one vet and not the 3 required by OFA.
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Thanks guys, that's the way I understood it but was doubting myself. I'm pretty sure not much changed in 1 month but agree... why not wait a month to do them?
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So I'm just going to ask because I'm wondering. Why would you do prelims at 23 months? One more month and it's official, right? I understand prelims are reviewed by one vet and not the 3 required by OFA.
Very likely the girlie went into season and the owner did not want to wait another 6-12 months to breed her.

*I have no comment on breeding a dog because it's close enough. My opinions on breeding too early and without full clearances have already been expressed over and over.


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Megora I totally agree but with 11 females you would think he had options. This was not his 1st litter, wonder why he followed the advice from another breeder, hasn't he read the Coe? Beautiful dogs and he is doing much better than most "british style" breeders in this country but why not just get final clearances and fix the problem?
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