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Seeking help in picking a litter from Golden Treasure Retrievers

Hi there -- we are new to selecting a breeder, but have had Goldens for many years. Ours passed about 8 years ago, and we are now ready to welcome another into our family.

Our last Golden was riddled with health complications as we did not get it from a reputable breeder, and we'd like to avoid this mistake again.

We live in the Bay Area in Northern California, and are considering Golden Treasure Retrievers and are interested in the Roo/Kodiak or Samson/Zoey litter. Wondering if anyone has any advice in these two litters, and/or if there are any smart questions that could be requested from the owners in ensuring proper certification/health clearances... I'm assuming that these dogs wouldn't be selected to breed without them, but want to make sure.

Sires & Dams: Sires and Dams - Golden Treasure Retrievers

Also, does any have any tips on Golden Treasure as well? They look great, but again, just want to confirm.

We would be up for heading up there to check them out, and the sires/dams, before making a decision... but the puppies seem like they're in such hot demand, I'm not sure if this is an obnoxious, imposing and/or unnecessary request.

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Golden Treasure was mentioned in this thread: https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...alifornia.html (Breeders in Northern California) and also here https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...y-looking.html (Introducing another family looking...)

They look great because you are only looking @ what they say, not what is not there. There are no registered names there- so you cannot verify anything. They do not have their own names there, only (I think to lend credence to their program) a vet's name who supposedly is joining their program (Lauren LaRue- https://companionvetclinic.com/meet-the-team) yet this dog is not attributed to Dr LaRue on k9data. I dk if their own dogs are on there, the call names are far too common to try to figure that out. Kodiak they say is the great grandson of the 2005-06 #1 Golden in the world- no one makes those claims, there is no world #1... there are registry #1's and National Specialty #1's- for instance, BOB @ the 2005 National was a Rush-Hill's dog I think . 2006 I believe was Hobo (Summit's Mr Bojangles). Both those are 'as memory serves me today' tidbits.. I could be off a year (and someone will correct me if so!!! ). Anyway-there are a bunch of "Kodiak" call names on k9data (which is our breed's database) and none of them have either of these dogs as ggsire.
This is Tug's k9data page- Pedigree: Golden Treasures Tug-O-War, and his OFA page- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1836424 He has a full sibling w documented HD (50% of the ones on OFA), and two offspring who do not have hip or elbow clearances- so may or may not be HD and ED. He himself only has - of the core 4 clearances (bare minimum stuff) an inadequate/useless in real life practitioner cardiac clearance done @ 17 months. This is only a teensy fraction better than someone who breeds their CL dogs together w no clearances. A very teensy fraction better. Not only this, they have a blatant lie on their site- "Tug is our English stud! He is gorgeous and such a goofball. Much of his grandparents were directly imported from Europe. Over 10 show international champions! OFA Excellent, OFA cardiac certified. 71lbs TUG IS AVAILABLE FOR STUD SERVICE." Tug is NOT OFA Excellent, he has zero OFA hips (or anything else save the inadequate heart). And when we see that his parents have hip clearances and no elbow clearances- they were born in 2010 so since that's fully 10 years after elbows began to routinely be done w hips- I would imagine they failed elbows....well, that makes that teensy piece actually a less-than scenario to the BYB w CL dogs. That's a reasonable assumption. Since Roo is Tug's full sibling, her concerns are identical to his.
Do not imagine you would be obnoxious or imposing to check out a breeder. In fact, you could help others in the future if you'd get Roo's registered name and if you'd get Kodiak's and Samson and Zoey's too! Either PM them to me or post them here so we can input them to k9data and have more info for the next person who gets swept away by a flashy website- but do not go visit- all Goldens are darling. These are just not good gambles.
1.A good breeder will have registered names on website.
2.A good breeder will be happy to send you OFA links, and in fact, should do so without you asking. They should want to educate you on the pedigree.
3. While you may not be invited to visit on the front end (I never have lookers come) you should be able to feel comfortable in your trust and that should be easily substantiated by peer review which is what happens here.
4. Most of the time, the stud dog won't be available to 'visit' anyway- good breeders don't keep cost-saving boys there to use on all their girls. They choose dad based on mom's lacks and his ability to improve her.
5. None of what you want is unnecessary or imposing. Full transparency is the trademark of a good breeder.

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Never mind Kodiak-http://www.k9data.com/pedigree.asp?ID=790161 and NO OFA page.
Zoey- https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1649658 (eyes out of date) She was owned by the Clemmers in AZ.
Winnie- no clearances and apparently owner has issue w DOB being entered - so she is locked- Pedigree: Golden Treasures Winter Wonderland
Mia- no OFA page. Pedigree: Mooondust Masterpiece Marvelous Mia

and I am so disgusted at this I am stopping now. There are still several more to do, if anyone feels like being aggravated at the deceiving words on this website.
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Your first clue that this is someone you really don't want to buy a puppy from: no registered names on the website which means you can't verify any information they post.

2nd clue: they lie about health exams.

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It is very easy to be taken in by a pretty website.
When looking make sure you can get the parents registered names or numbers. Reputable breeders will generally have this on their website if they have one. Then you can take the names or numbers to www.ofa.org and verify health certifications. I will attach some visuals that should help below.

Keep in mind that some red flags on websites are hiding dogs names or only giving “call names”, using the term English Cream or the percentage of “English”, bragging about the ancestors of dogs as a call to quality such as “pedigree full of champions” or “Daughter/Son of top winning dog” instead of Listing their dog’s accomplishments.
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When you look at a website, if the registered names are missing, don't go there unless the breeder is willing to give you the registered names. You should see the dog's registered name listed on the website, and the most reputable breeders will also post the link to the k9data.org page for that dog.

This breeder is not one you want to buy a puppy from.

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