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Has anyone purchased a puppy from dan graves supr goldens in upstate new york>
or anyone recommend a breeder in the new york new jersey pennsylvania area?

My family and i have decided that we are ready to complete our family with a puppy and golden retriever is our dog of choice
i cant find any good reviews on breeders and am having a hard time deciding who to get her from

please help thank you all
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I went and visited Super Golden's early in my search. They are close to me and I personally know friends who have a Super Golden's dog (he just turned 1) and they recommended them to me early on before I knew any better. I can understand how a puppy-buyer would be attracted to their website and their social media.

I however did not think it was the right fit for us. They have a nice property with lots of space but their dogs are kenneled most of the day. They charge more for "English Cream" which is simply a scam. They do not test for elbows, I asked Julie why and she said that elbow dysplasia is caused by environment of the dog and activity level when they are puppies.

They also had an "English Cream" litter on the ground when I was visiting. This litter was not AKC registered. When I asked why, she told me that because it was an "Oops Litter" the Dam & Sire did not have their final clearances yet and therefore could not be AKC registered. Now I know that she was probably lying...because that is not a requirement for AKC in order to register a litter. Literally all that matters is that both parent dogs have full registration...so who knows what the real reason was. The poor girl must have been no older than 13 or 14 months when she whelped the litter...Maybe they didn't want to register the litter as to not reflect breeding dogs underage for their image? Who knows...

The sire of that litter was "Dozer" and he has clearances (no OFA hips or Elbows) now and is still being bred. The Dam was named "Bella" and she is not on their website...however she was bred/owned by them, so who knows what happened to her.

The puppies are raised in the garage in large pens. They do have lots of toys and stimulation, but they are not raised in a home...which is something that was important to me. They also seem to ALWAYS have litters coming or on the ground...which means they breed constantly.

I did meet all of their studs and a few females and they were all beautiful dogs, and very well behaved.

They don't compete with their dogs in any venue outside of CGC, they have constant litters, they don't meet the health testing requirements per the GRCA and they are over priced for what you get: A puppy from an untitled pedigree, coming from dogs with spotty health clearances that have produced dysplastic offspring and offspring with eye problems. This is a for-profit breeder who, in my opinion wants to appear like they have a great breeding program, when in reality they definitely do not, and continue to breed certain dogs they know have produced health issues in the past.
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Could of things. 1st, they are using the term English cream so that is a big red flag.

The make I looked at... Super Golden Komatsu Dozer has only PennHip done which is a laxity test for how lose or right the hips are, not a clearance. They need to be doing an OFA clearance at 24 months or older which will also do the elbow clearances.

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thank you so much for the detailed review have you purchased a golden retriever from any where else?
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thank you so much for the detailed review have you purchased a golden retriever from any where else?
My recommendations (if you are wanting to stay relatively close):

Chestnut Goldens (NY)
Eastshore Goldens (NH)
Butternut Hill Goldens (VT)
Crangold Golden Retrievers (VT)
Brianne Golden Retrievers (PA)
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If you are looking for additional suggestions, do a search on this forum for "breeders" and whatever state you are willing to travel to. You can also do "reputable breeder", but to be honest it's helpful to know what breeders the forum has IDd as a "bad" breeder (and why) as it is to look at only the "good" breeders.

A few basics to get you started on your search:
1) All reputable breeders will follow/adhere to the Golden Retriever Club of America code of ethics, which you can find here: https://www.grca.org/about-grca/grca-code-of-ethics/

2) The parents of a litter will have verifiable clearances for hips, elbows, eyes and hearts (eyes must be done yearly, hips and elbows after 2 years and before being bred, heart check should be done by a cardiologist). If you get the dogs' registered name you can do a search in the OFA database at www.ofa.org to verify that the clearances have been done (and have been sent in to OFA, which is also important). If in doubt, if you give the forum the registered name(s), we can take a quick look for you in case we see a red flag you wouldn't notice.

3) Terms such as "English Creme" (which is not a real thing - at least not something recognized or used by the GRCA or most reputable breeders) or a focus on something outside of the breed standard (e.g., "oversized" or "comfort Golden") is a red flag for a breeder who is breeding for profit and not for the good of the breed.

If you start with even just these three criteria it should weed out a LOT of the breeders who are breeding for profit or who are less likely to breed healthy, stable dogs.

If you begin to narrow your search down to a particular breeder or pairing, post again here and we can do a little additional research for you.

I also encourage you to take a look around in the forum (especially in the puppy and breeder section) and do some key word searches. There are a LOT of questions that are common among folks looking for their first Golden and you are likely to find the answer to most of your questions there.

Good luck!

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