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Kyon and Blackpool Goldens

Hello,

I have researched a lot of the forum regarding ethical breeders and after realizing (thanks to the active membership here) that the breeders in MI I had considered before were not up to par, I have cast the net wider.

I have come across Kyon and Blackpool Goldens, two breeders in Ontario. Being from SE Michigan it's not too far of a drive and both breeders were extremely friendly on the phone. Neither has an open waiting list for the remainder of 2019 but will open back up beginning of next year. This makes me feel good, knowing that both of them aren't just 'cranking out' puppies and have quite the waitlist. Reading around the forum there are a lot of older threads of potential buyers asking about these two. Does anyone actually have a Golden from either and can recommend them? They seem to have a stellar reputation and both been operating since the 1980s but I wanted to check since I felt good about the original breeders I came here to inquire about also. With Blackpool in particular she mentioned on planning to breed Odell but hasn't selected the outside sire yet. From everything I've seen her clearances look good but I am not sure if anyone knows about some of her ascendants having health issues

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Sounds like you are on the right track. No matter who the breeder is, you'll want to verify clearances on the parents of the litter you will be getting a puppy from. It is not unusual at all that they haven't decided who to breed Odell to. They have an idea of what they would like to see in a sire to improve Odell's traits that could use strengthening. (since no dog is perfect they should have a list of things they hope to improve or at least not ruin in the next generation.) They have to do research with pedigree and clearances (make sure they know what is back there healthwise) and talk to the owner about the potential sire, maybe try to meet them in person if they haven't already and they will also want to talk to people about how puppies the sire has already produced may have turned out so far. All that networking takes time and if they will need to travel to the sire for the actual breeding, they need to have a backup (or maybe even 2) so that if for some reason the bitch comes in season and is most fertile when the sire is at a show or competing somewhere across the country and isn't available they aren't left with no sire ready. It's a crazy process, good breeders put a ton of work into getting a litter bred.


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Both breeders have very good reputations. As Nolefan said, you always want to check the clearances on the prospective parents, but it would surprise me if anything was not complete on either one. I know many people who want calm, laid back, therapy prospect dogs turn to Kyon. I do not know enough about the Blackpool dogs, but that doesn't mean anything. As I said, both have very good reputations.

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Both breeders have very good reputations. As Nolefan said, you always want to check the clearances on the prospective parents, but it would surprise me if anything was not complete on either one. I know many people who want calm, laid back, therapy prospect dogs turn to Kyon. I do not know enough about the Blackpool dogs, but that doesn't mean anything. As I said, both have very good reputations.
YES! That's what caught my eye about them. I talked to Michele at Blackpool and she was super knowledgeable and friendly. She explained she hasn't found the right sire yet and I'm impressed with the amount of work on the back end of things she does. I am fully on board with waiting until Spring/Summer of next year if that means getting a healthy dog- what's another year in the grand scheme?

Thank you for confirming that both still have great reputations. This has been putting my mind at ease and now I have something to look forward to in 2020! Besides turning 30 haha.
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Another year wait for a healthy puppy could mean another 5 or 6 years with the pup you get.... Certainly worth it even though waiting is tough!

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Another year wait for a healthy puppy could mean another 5 or 6 years with the pup you get.... Certainly worth it even though waiting is tough!

I agree and I think it's just so important to also find a breeder you have a good gut feeling with. Super impressed with both of them but Blackpool is in the lead. I know that's who my wife thinks we should go with. I got plenty to learn still prior to getting the pup anyways and my 5 year old Golden will be alright for another year being 'an only child.'
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Hello,

... I have cast the net wider. ... Being from SE Michigan
Being that you are in SE Michigan and maybe willing to drive, there are some excellent breeders in Northern Ohio and Eastern North PA like Harborview Goldens.

You might consider contacting the Puppy Referral person in the link below.
https://cvgrc.org/puppy-referral

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Hello,
Does anyone actually have a Golden from either and can recommend them?
We have an almost 7 month old Kyon puppy, and while I'm certainly no expert, I'd get another Kyon (hint, hint to my DH!) again in the future. Sean was great from the get-go, a huge wealth of information, and also we've kept in touch as I had questions about a new genetic test (Neuronal Ceroid Lipofucinosis or NCL: he's in the process of testing his dogs , we're waiting to hear). Our boy is fantastic: great temperament (although our senior boy might not agree all the time), quick to learn and maybe a little too smart for his own good And he's pretty darn handsome already!

As soon as Sean said he had a spot for us for the litter, he sent us all the K9 data for the dam and sire, and also let us know that if we didn't like the pairing, we could wait for a different pairing. I did go through the K9 data, and was mostly looking for length of life and cause of death: I should have asked this forum about their opinions on the pairing, but it didn't cross my mind until after we committed. I had tons of questions for Sean, and he always answered them. Sean did chose our boy for us (based on our puppy application), and he's been a wonderful fit into our family. There are no guarantees in life, but we are hopeful our boy will be with us for a long, long time.

Prior to working with Kyon, we'd only ever rescued Goldens: 2 from the US and 1 from Taiwan. Having a puppy has been very different!! But terrific too

I flew from CA just before Christmas to get our boy; it was a crazy 22 hours (!!!) of traveling to get home, but he was amazing. And continues to be! Sounds like you've got a little bit of a drive, there's lot of good advice for the forum for the trip home.

BTW: when I picked up in December, Sean mentioned he would be closing his wait list for most of 2019 (as soon as he handed me our boy, I was musing about getting him a playmate ), but my 2 is that a Kyon pup is worth the wait.

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@MushyB great to hear about your pup! How long was your total wait from when you contacted Sean until you got your dog?
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@MushyB great to hear about your pup! How long was your total wait from when you contacted Sean until you got your dog?
It was about 18 months from initial contact to finding out we had a pup, then 8.5 weeks until pickup. He's been worth the wait, x1000
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