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Been looking for a golden for a while now, but I’m looking for one that looks similar to Tucker Budzyn (all over the Internet). I’m obsessed with his fluffiness and face. I came across Matigan Goldens and I’m thinking about getting a puppy from them. Does anyone have any experience with this breeder? I’m very nervous in general and not sure exactly what I need to be looking for. Thank you so so much for your help!!!

She has 2 litters and here is the parents info of each:

Sire: Vonschenk's Last Stand At Matigan CGC EYE13 OFA24G (SR98750802)
Dam: Bonanza Matigan June Bug OFA24G OFEL24 (SR92974801)

DOB: 03/15/2019 (8 weeks old)
Sire: Shadalane's Caliber Gabriel EYE27 OFA26G OFEL25 (SR94433006)
Dam: Matigan's Dana Scully EYE11 (SS00994101)

The puppies are each $3000

Edit to add: Grew up with Goldens and had a dog the last 13 years of my own that we lost in November (not a golden). Yes, I’m very well aware of the golden breed and what they require. I only mentioned the “look” I am looking for as they are extremely hard to find with the wide face and puffy fur so I thought maybe someone would know a breeder in SoCal as the only breeder I’ve found that I know have that Tucker look is in Michigan so we may need to purchase from that breeder. Thank you!

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Hi! Great that you love Goldens!
Welcome to the forum - there are many Golden experts here who can advise you :0)
So - where to start answering your post:
I guess the first thing is, what do you want a Golden Retriever for? Seeing a cute one on the internet doesn't necessarily mean that you ought to just go out and get a look-alike... are you sure you know what sort of dog a Golden Retriever is? (Big, smelly, hairy and slobbery) Are you sure you can offer a loving and healthy forever home? (They're expensive in every way, and need a lot of 1-2-1 time, and even more excercise).
Have you done your breed homework? Don't just ask a forum - go and read books, visit shows, look up breeders and their programs, find out what genetic issues they have, and *read" the AKC standards for Golden Retriever dogs. These guys are special.... :0)
Once you do that, I think you'll look at the website of the breeder you are considering and wonder why there is quite a lot of information missing about their breeding dogs, clearances, health testing, etc.
Also, buying a 'ready made' pup comes with pros and significant cons. You need to educate yourself about these before you buy any pup regardless of breed.
If you want to avoid significant heartache later, please do your homework on the Golden Retriever breed now, before you buy. Be realistic about your situation and what you can offer a dog. They're not ornaments or trophies.
Good luck and keep us posted :0)
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Sire: Vonschenk's Last Stand At Matigan CGC EYE13 OFA24G (SR98750802)
>>> Sire is missing elbows https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1937111
Dam: Bonanza Matigan June Bug OFA24G OFEL24 (SR92974801)
>>> Dam has outdated eyes (check with the breeder to see if they have the clearance but hasn't sent them in https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1886899


DOB: 03/15/2019 (8 weeks old)
Sire: Shadalane's Caliber Gabriel EYE27 OFA26G OFEL25 (SR94433006)
>>> Sire heart is practioner only instead of either Advanced or by a cardiologist (this doesn't follow the GRCA guidelines) https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1991961
Dam: Matigan's Dana Scully EYE11 (SS00994101)
>>> Dam turned 2 years old 2 months ago. No hip or elbow clearances but it might just be a delay in reporting. Check with the breeder and ask for copies of their clearances. https://www.ofa.org/advanced-search?f=sr&appnum=1942042

There is a user her LJack who posts what clearances should look like so you can tell if you're reading the real thing or not.

FWIW - I paid $2500 for my girl 10 months ago. But I've heard SoCal prices are jumping to $3k so that alone doesn't say anything one way or the other.

Will this be your first dog? Your first golden?

Edit to Add: I took a look at their website and nothing is looking out of place per se. But for me, personally, I would pass on both litters because the four core clearances are not up to ethical standards for either pairing.

Hecate's Hellhound, Gypsy Magic - "Gypsy"
2/15 - Present
Hi-Tide's Danger Scone - "Lana"
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Thank you very much for your help! This will just be a family dog with no breeding or shows, just wanted to add that! 🙂
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Thank you very much for your help! This will just be a family dog with no breeding or shows, just wanted to add that! 🙂

Doesn't matter if you're going to title the dog or use it for a heating blanket in bed with you health clearance are stacking the odds in your favor the dog is healthy long term. You don't want a blind dog from cataracts or a bad heart leading to a short lie or anywhere from 4-8 years of age and expensive and painful, debilitating hip or elbow dysplasia (can be between $5k-10K to correct).


Getting a dog from lines that have 4+ generations of health clearances is what you should be looking for. If you're spending 2-3K for your dog, why get a puppy with those types of health risks?


Edit to add: The best thing I can tell you is look for breeders that have dogs that look the way you like and then vet the heck out of them. scrutinize all their dogs and make sure they are doing the minimum 4 core health clearances (Hip/Elbow at 24 Months or older, heart by cardiologist and eyes yearly). Then it's just a choice on which dogs you like better. It could be a head style you like, a color but that is all the last thing AFTER you know they are reputable by doing the health clearances. Go and look up the Golden Retriever Code of Ethics and that is what they should be doing before deciding to buy.

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For $3000, you should get full health certifications on both parents. That is not what you are getting.
I will post the lacking health certifications for this breeder. Then i’ll Do another post showing what you should see.
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Here is an infographic and screen shot that will help you determine if there are full health certifications. Take the parents registration name or number to www.ofa.org and look them up.
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Here is an infographic and screen shot that will help you determine if there are full health certifications. Take the parents registration name or number to www.ofa.org and look them up.

Thank you so much LJack!!! This is so helpful!!! Ya, we want a perfectly healthy golden, especially if I’m buying from a breeder. This is extremely concerning that all of those health checks are not up to date. Thank you so much for helping us understand what we need to look for. I’ve already talked to over 25 breeders in the last year and all of the dogs were over $2500 and none of them had the health clearances that even these litters have (which are still incomplete). This is actually scary to me. We are filling to drive to other states if that’s what it takes to get a healthy pure bred golden. I could be wrong but it feels as though SoCal breeders are taking advantage of the system.
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Here is an infographic and screen shot that will help you determine if there are full health certifications. Take the parents registration name or number to www.ofa.org and look them up.

Should I just expect to get the parents health records or should I also be asking for previous generations health records? I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you LJACK!!!!!!!!
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For $3000.00 I would think your should get full certifications on parents and on the generations behind them. If you are looking at imported dogs, the generations behind may not look the same as US born dogs as other countries don’t always have the same stringent standards we have in the US.

As far as taking advantage of the system, it is more like taking advantage of a lack of knowledge. I find it very unethical to present dogs as fully tested if they are not. Buyers are certainly at a disadvantage in this interaction. That is why I spend as much time educating as I do.

I am sending you a PM that might be helpful.


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