I have been looking for a puppy and have noticed some breeders have both dogs that have titles and dogs that do not. I was wondering why some of their dogs are titled and why others are not? Do they not show the ones that are not titled?
Would you have a preference receiving a puppy from parents with a title vs without (if they came from the same breeder)?
OK. It's Fri night and because my pup has low grooming needs before a show tomorrow I have nothing to do, so why not type something I was waffling about typing earlier this week. Stir up chit chat?
I was thinking this was literally
the same question asked very recently on this forum which seemed to have semi-blown up (if I'm remembering the right thread)....
But I see this is different. Question #1
What you are asking about are those breeders who seem to have 2 tiers for what they breed. If they have 1 litter where they went OUT and bred to a big name boy, they might have another litter where they used their own boy or on a very rare occasion a "nearly" titled boy that they know.
A breeder I'm thinking about is somebody who does not show very often. Or not like she used to. I do not think that she shows her girls at all - partly because they get placed after a couple litters.
She does usually breed to big name boys. And she does show her boys. Typically they are sent out and finished.
She's one type of breeder.
Other type would be somebody who keeps a puppy from every litter and grows them up a little to see how they turn out. They will show and likely end up sending dogs out with a handler to finish, but as far showing every dog to a CH before breeding... probably would not work if it takes 3-4 years for a slow growing girl to come into her own. The only necessity before breeding is getting full clearances.
And then there's breeders with fast developing dogs + they themselves are excellent handlers will likely finish the dogs very fast and send them out into the dog yard for a couple years to grow up before they are bred.
To answer your question - this is a tough breed to finish in the show ring. This is a huge reason why you do not always see both sides of a pedigree bear CH titles before being bred.
If dogs are being shown, it might take time before the girlies are finished. Meanwhile, breeders do not like waiting too long before breeding them. That's what I've heard as a permanently-always boy dog owner.
Males are more likely to be titled, because the breeders have ten million stud dogs to pick and choose from. As long as they are not sterile or going that direction, they can be used for breedings. The dogs could be DEAD and still father litters...
This means that (a) they have a better chance of being noticed if they are CH titled and (b) you have a lot of finished and mature dogs that people are using. Question # 2
Is actually the same question I saw on this forum before. Would people prefer to have titles on the parents before picking a puppy from a litter.
More than that, I would ask what those titles mean to you if you don't know the dogs?
^^^ If you don't know the dogs, they mean everything. If you know the dogs or have a wider view, titles mean nothing.
I'll give you a good example.
There are people who have poor quality girlies who are trying to fix EVERYTHING by breeding to a CH boy.
Some boys - that might work. But have seen some boys who are middle of the road type dogs. They are not particularly outstanding themselves and you might be surprised to learn they are CH dogs.... those dogs are not going to fix big problems. You might see them affecting some things, but not everything.
The obedience titles are another thing which might not mean much - particularly if you are looking for an easy dog to coast through obedience titles with.
Have seen CH and obedience titled goldens in obedience looking awful because they are lagging 10 feet behind the owners and there's other things going on that you do not want. The perspective of show bred goldens comes from people watching dogs like that.
Am not saying don't look for titles on dogs. I think when you have titled dogs loaded up in a pedigree, it's something special. It also makes you feel better about paying a big $$$$ check for that puppy vs spending $500 or so less by buying from a more commercial type breeder.
But I do think that people hunt for titles so much on pedigrees that they are not paying close enough attention to the quality of the dogs themselves or the experience, ethics, and focus of the breeders.
Have heard people make rather rude comments about some dogs out there being "diamonds in the rough" because you suddenly had a CH titled and mondo obedience and field titled dog from "pet" pedigrees. One in particular had no titles on his parents, and in that 3 generation pedigree only 1/2 the dogs had titles vs 100% which you might get in highly tooted big litters out there.
That was not
a diamond in the rough situation. That was the benefit of a breeder being consistent and careful in what she bred.
That's why going with an experienced, established, conscientious, etc breeder is always a safe bet.
The next best thing is going with a breeder who is very closely managed by a mentor telling them what to breed, what to breed to, etc.