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Anyone hear of Oceans Breeze golden in Arlington VT? Name changed to HeidiWay Goldens

A friend referred us to this breeder, Oceans Breeze in Arlington VT

They seem to be new at it? and have limited akc dogs. When searching their name on k9data and also the ofa site I'm not finding much. the breeders names are Sharon Gratton or Patricia McKee.

Their current litters mom name is Apple. Not sure who the sire is. I'm assuming this is a backyard breeder? If they do breed with all clearances then I'll move forward. I've asked for info but have no response yet...Was just wondering if anyone on this site has any info on them or any dogs from their kennel

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ok. just heard from the owner. they do not have OFA's on the parents b/c they don't " believe" in them. Went on to say 1 dog they had, had their X-rays sent in 2x for hips, 1 came back good the other came back fail. So they think OFA's are unreliable

Also told me how 90% of hip dysplasia is owner related from food and too much exercise? I would not be able to live with myself knowing we have a dog with parents where the dice was rolled...& if something ended up happening I would be kicking myself.

With OFA's being such simple and cost efficient tests, WHY would breeders NOT do them??
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With OFA's being such simple and cost efficient tests, WHY would breeders NOT do them??
Look, in the population of Goldens with generation after generation of hip clearances from OFA, devastating hip dysplasia is VERY RARE. You may have a dog come back borderline or mild but rare is the 10 month old puppy needing $3000 hip surgery. This is the population of show dogs or performance/hunting-bred Goldens from responsible breeders. Peer pressure is VERY HIGH to ALWAYS clear dogs before breeding. We have GREATLY REDUCED the incidence of severe hip dysplasia.

In the population of backyard bred newspaper dogs, the incidences of severe or quality of life reducing hip dysplasia is MUCH HIGHER. If they don't test they simply don't know what they have. It is HARDER to find a dog that will pass.

So why don't breeders like this do OFAs? #1 the cost...it's at least $500 per dog to get it done. And you have to do it before you ever get a dime from a sold puppy.
#2 : It's hard to see your pet fail something. It's a big bitter pill to swallow. It dashes all of your plans of breeding them. It's much easier to blame an institution that has evaluated hundreds of thousands of dogs than to cull the dogs in your breeding program and put your money where your mouth is. IOW : It's ignorance and apathy. Two driving forces of all backyard breeding.

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They “don’t believe” in OFA clearances? Get outta town! We are talking lame excuses - and not responsible breeding. You should keep looking.

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This is a strictly for profit breeder. No clearances. Excuses for not doing the right thing. Run away. Poor Apple...bred before she was two...then bred back 6 months later. Breaks my heart. This breeder is not reputable. Possibly the dog who failed the hip test was her male...
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ok. just heard from the owner. they do not have OFA's on the parents b/c they don't " believe" in them. Went on to say 1 dog they had, had their X-rays sent in 2x for hips, 1 came back good the other came back fail. So they think OFA's are unreliable

Also told me how 90% of hip dysplasia is owner related from food and too much exercise? I would not be able to live with myself knowing we have a dog with parents where the dice was rolled...& if something ended up happening I would be kicking myself.

With OFA's being such simple and cost efficient tests, WHY would breeders NOT do them??

If I'm not mistaken, OFA won't re-evaluate hips or elbows. Once you fail, you fail. So right off the bat, I'm not sure she is being honest.

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If I'm not mistaken, OFA won't re-evaluate hips or elbows. Once you fail, you fail. So right off the bat, I'm not sure she is being honest.
They will...very often positioning can mean the difference between a fair and a good...or a single hip being rated as grade 1 while the other hip is fine. It is common to wait three months for a new panel. Then do a new set of xrays and send them in. Also sometimes dogs need a little more time to mature than two years and their hips can pass if they are a little bit older. But a for-profit operation that doesn't even wait until the dog is two to breed? Forget about hip clearances.

But I don't think it's her dog she is talking about...as she has no hip clearances on any of them! If you look at who her females are from...my guess is that is where she heard the story to justify breeding with no clearances.

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If I'm not mistaken, OFA won't re-evaluate hips or elbows. Once you fail, you fail. So right off the bat, I'm not sure she is being honest.
Incorrect. You can re-submit for evaluation and a possibly better rating.

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They will...very often positioning can mean the difference between a fair and a good...or a single hip being rated as grade 1 while the other hip is fine. It is common to wait three months for a new panel. Then do a new set of xrays and send them in. Also sometimes dogs need a little more time to mature than two years and their hips can pass if they are a little bit older. But a for-profit operation that doesn't even wait until the dog is two to breed? Forget about hip clearances.

But I don't think it's her dog she is talking about...as she has no hip clearances on any of them! If you look at who her females are from...my guess is that is where she heard the story to justify breeding with no clearances.

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Incorrect. You can re-submit for evaluation and a possibly better rating.

Thanks for the clarification!

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