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Old 12-02-2012, 03:20 PM
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Hi , like many I have been reading the boards for a while now. We have an 8 month old Golden named Indiana Jones, Indy for short or these days everyone is calling him Big Boy. He is already over 70lbs (not over weight at all) and the vet said he's not done growing quite yet.

We also have an Australian Shepherd named Piper who is 20 months old. She has lots of energy and can run and play for hours. But she is also a perfect angel, very well behaved, so easy to train, and my husband even taught her to do tricks. People often stop us on walks to fawn over her, and she loves the attention.

Indy on the other hand has been the total opposite to Piper. I cannot even walk him without my husband because he drags me down the street. He is constantly causing trouble, doesn't obey me and even though he has plenty of toys he likes destroying carpet, floor boards and anything else that catches his fancy. He also climbs on counters and in the sink to steal food. This summer he ate entire bowel of grapes drying in the sink, while the family was outside swimming (he pushed the kitchen door open went in while no one was looking) Luckily $300 in vet bills and blood tests later he was perfectly fine.

We have working to train him since the day we brought him home. He has done classes, and even a private home trainer. He does well in all training but the minute the least comes off, and my husband goes to work, he is looking for trouble. He knows what all the commands mean so if I say "off" he gets off the counter but as soon as I turn or leave the room he is back up. We do 4 play sessions a day with the dogs, they are free to run around the back yard, he plays with Piper all day and I attempt to walk him so I know he can't be bored. So why the bad behavior?

The main reason I turned to these boards is to see if his behavior is just Indy or a Golden puppy thing. From what I've been reading on the puppy boards, many Goldens behave this way.

We have decided to get him "fixed" this month because a few vets, friends, and breeder have said that it will help his behavior. We love our Indy very much, he is funny, sweet, and very good natured but he really has turned our family life upside down these last 6 months (had to get new carpet, house is covered in baby gates, we can't leave for more then 4 hours without rushing home to check on him). And I'm sad to say we have had a few family discussions about not keeping him, but everyone cries because we love him so much, so we are keeping him. I just hope he calms down as he gets older.


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Old 12-02-2012, 03:33 PM
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Hi, welcome to the forum. Indy is still a puppy even if he doesn't look like one. It sounds like he has too much freedom. If you can't see what he's up to he should be put into his crate while you're busy. These pups can get into trouble so fast as you already found out. I'm glad he was ok after eating the grapes but he could really get into something that would seriously hurt him.
Good luck and post pics of your fur babies when you get a chance. People with more puppy experience may have better advice for you soon.
I'm glad you decided to keep him! ♥
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Indy sounds like a very normal 8 month old Golden to me, if that helps at all. Once he's through his teen age months, he'll settle down nicely I bet. Re: the leash walking, there are several effective ways to teach him how to walk loose leash. When my tucker was neutered and limited in his exercise options, I used the two-week rest period to solely work with him on that. He's now very good on leash. Search for that topic on here.

Goldens are very eager to please, so I'm thinking extra training would help with him a lot. When Goldens become adolescents, they challenge all their training, so it pays to go back and start with the very basics. I think a great majority of Goldens who are given up, are given up toward the end of their first year because their owners don't know how to cope.

We have a "parents of teens" (Parents of teenage pups) thread on here that has been very helpful to many. You are welcome to join in there, and you might want to read the whole thing (very long) from start to finish. You will see a lot of behaviors that will sound familiar.

Good luck! Welcome to GRF! Hope you'll stay with us, and let us know how Indy gets on.
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My female who will be three years old later this month was the WORST puppy ever as far as destructive behavior, she too almost lost her home with me because of the damage she did. She ate holes in a new mattress and in the bedroom carpet , along with three remote controls for the satellite several door stop rubber bumpers two comforters the ends on the bedroom dressers and the wiring from the VCR and DVD player along with chewing the tv stand just to name a few things she screwed up. Today she is fine and yes she was crated an awful lot and yes she has a 1/2 acre fenced lot to run and play in which i tried to get her tired out in. It got so stressful I finally bought a muzzle and that ended her constant chewing ,I wish I had got it much sooner. Sadie is my fifth Golden Retriever so I do know the difference and all pups chew when teething some are far worse than others but it WILL get better.


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Thank you all for the words of wisdom. I will continue to search the boards in my free time to learn more. I think I was just in shock at how difficult Indy was because Piper was so so easy to train and although she has a stubborn streak when she doesn't want to stop playing, she has never been destructive like Indy.

I know all the benefits of crating but I also still find it an odd concept. Growing up in Kentucky no one I knew ever crated a dog, I don't even think I knew anyone who owned a crate. My husband hates the idea of crating after a dog matures, he finds it a lazy alternative to training.

But we did try to do crate training with Piper but she never took to it well, even with lots of positive reenforcement she never voluntarily went in the crate, so once she was 20lbs we just gated off the kitchen and puppy proofed. She has always been perfectly fine in the kitchen and when we leave she gets in her kitchen bed and thats where she is when we return. When she was 10 months old we took the kitchen gate down and again when we went out she would go right to her kitchen bed and sleep till we returned. We even watched her via cameras to see what she did and she never left the kitchen. (Our house had been set up with cameras and door alarms in the main rooms because my father in law had Alzheimer's and lived with us, this way we could monitor him to without sitting right next to him all day. We got the idea to get the monitors after one particular day when I went upstairs to do laundry and my father in law got the idea to do dishes downstairs, but he filled my dish washer with sink soap and when I came back, he was sitting in the den quietly watching tennis and my entire kitchen was filled with 5 feet of suds and bubbles!! He told me the kids did it, but no one else was home! We laugh about it now, because with a sad disease like Alzheimer's you've got to find the humor or you can't cope. We originally got Piper for him because he loved dogs but sadly he is in late stages now and does not recognize us so we had to put him in a private care facility. So the alarms and cameras are gone but I really want to set them up again to see what Indy does while we are gone. And I'm very sorry for the long side story, it just explained the video monitors.

Indy we crate trained but since Piper wasn't in a crate too he hated it, and once he got weight behind him he would flip himself in a fit so at 4 months we began to let him stay in the kitchen with Piper and putting the gate back up. Which worked well until he got taller, we have had to completely clear the counter and sink before we leave the house (I also have a lock fridge and all the stove and oven knobs are removed and have safety locks.) we also had to gate off the den connected to the kitchen because he ate the carpet in there one afternoon while I was at the grocery. (To his defense that carpet was old and a shaggy weave making it oh so tempting, and I had been wanting to replace it since we moved in) He also likes to chew the floor boards in the kitchen when we are gone and bitter apple doesn't seem to bother him, he views it as icing!

Indy has never roamed the house without supervision, so he really doesn't have that much freedom, even the yard is walled in with a fence in the middle to keep him out of the pool (he LOVES to swim and does it well but I don't want dogs or children in my pool unsupervised hence the pool fence) And at night he sleeps in a dog pen in our room which is bed is in with no problems. I guess since he knows everyone is asleep he doesn't feel the need to want out because nothing is going on at night.

All and all I know he will be a good dog, that is why we are keeping him. I just didn't anticipate him being so much more work. Tonight I will go back to basics and start doing basic training with him again for an hour. In the end all I want is to be able to walk him with Piper and feel comfortable leaving the house knowing he isn't going to get into anything that will hurt him.


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