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In another long thread there is a discussion of what constitutes a BYB vs a good breeder. Is it just clearances? If someone is breeding dogs with clearances but too often is that a BYB? When I was looking for a pup the breeders I liked who did not have a puppy for me in my time frame all sent me to other breeders who might have one. So obviously those folks were not in it just for the money. So what do you think? Should a good breeder help you find a puppy from someone else if they don't have one for you? How many breedings are too many--show they are just in it for money?
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I definitely don't think being a "good breeder" is just about clearances. Producing healthy dogs is important, but looking after the dogs who produce your puppies is also important. I wouldn't mind if a Breeder did 10 breedings in a year if he or she could effectively manage that many dogs. There's no definitive number on how many dogs a breeder can handle and I take each on an individual basis. Some people will be overwhelmed with one litter... some people won't be overwhelmed handling three at once.

For me a "good breeder" can put you in touch with another reputable breeder. Rather than that though I've always chosen to wait until that breeder has dogs available.
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BYB - would be somebody who is not doing all of the planning and health checkup/screening/clearances work prior to breeding a litter. Not just planning for taking time off to look after the mom and pups, but also planning on how to socialize the puppies and prep them for their new homes so there is as little stress as possible when the puppies move on.

A byb breeder, imo, is somebody who decides to breed their dogs because they feel it is a natural part of owning an animal - similar to me breeding my birds for fun and the experience. With my pet birds, I didn't have to worry about placing the birds in new homes, and I could even remove eggs (that sounds horrible doesn't it) if there are too many babies.

I went with a BYB already and would prefer to avoid doing that again.

Commercial breeders vs hobby breeders = a different argument. A commercial breeder, like the one I got Jacks from, does not necessarily show their dogs (though some commercial breeders do). They produce a certain amount of puppies every season, which means they are breeding every season. This does not necessarily make them a puppy mill, because they are not constantly breeding the same dogs, the dogs (puppies and adults) are well-kept, trained, socialized, and so forth.

Puppy mills are those commercial breeders who put profit ahead of their responsibility to produce healthy dogs, will breed anything at every opportunity to increase production. Every opportunity includes breeding too young and too old dogs. Puppy mills are those who do not make any effort to provide the proper care and love to the animals who pass through their hands.

Hobby breeders are those who breed selectively and periodically, and generally put more money into the breeding than they expect to get back.

At least that is my very basic opinion of it.

I would prefer a hobby breeder, btw, because they do have the time and money to put more money and time into the litters they produce. This means healthier and better adjusted puppies and dogs.

Or at least, I prefer hobby breeders who do put more money and time into the litters they produce, as well as the adult dogs they own.

All that said, I guess I should point out - the puppy I brought home from a commercial breeder was the only puppy who did not have a rough transition. There was no puppy illnesses (coccidia). He was not stressed out or fearful while we brought him home. He was this brawny little puppy who charged out into his new world and looked right at home with all of it. The way he was and the way his parents were when I met them, you could tell they had all been well handled and socialized. As the breeder told me when I picked up Jacks, he knew no fear.

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