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Old 09-09-2010, 06:59 PM
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Nope no bites here other then when we "rough house" with each other and she mouths me in play(although Im the only one she ever knopws she can do this with).
I also taught her the "open" command so when I want something in her mouth or to place a pill in her throat, I simply say "open" and she opens wide for me to look or place the pill in. Works WONDERS!
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:26 PM
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I've said this before and I think your Max and my Danny are a lot alike.

I've been reading posts and people will say well, I don't think my dog would ever bite, but he's growled at me...or he's done something kind of worrying in the past so we need to believe all dogs have the tendency to bite. They don't have my dog so I don't think they understand. I know that dogs like Max aren't the norm, but there are dogs out there like he and Danny.

What Max will do when he's had "enough" of another puppy, a dog, the boy, etc. etc. is he will come to me to "protect" him and I will always put a stop to whatever he is trying to get away from for a little and then he's good to go and returns to the boy or the dogs, etc. He also does take a lot of abuse before he will finally come over to me and look at me with his "mommmmm, puhhhhleeeeassee help me" eyes. I think Max sees any attention as good attention.

Question: Could you yell at Danny in your meanestt, angry voice after he's done something that was really bad and Danny just smile and wag his tail at you? Just wondering if they are alike like that too!!
I can't yell at my dogs, I just can't bring myself to do it, so I am not sure. But I do know that if I do scold him he does come over to me smiling and wagging his tail.

PG, you are determined on this and I am determined that Danny will never bite anyone. With Jasper there is a small possibility if he were threatened and Jasmine I am sure would if she were pressed. You can repeat it over and over, but I know my dogs and I know that Danny would never bite.
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I can't yell at my dogs, I just can't bring myself to do it, so I am not sure. But I do know that if I do scold him he does come over to me smiling and wagging his tail.

PG, you are determined on this and I am determined that Danny will never bite anyone. With Jasper there is a small possibility if he were threatened and Jasmine I am sure would if she were pressed. You can repeat it over and over, but I know my dogs and I know that Danny would never bite.
I hope you're right. But yes, I don't believe that there is absolutely no circumstance ever that anyone can guarantee that a dog wouldn't bite.
I know my dogs, as well. Every single one of them. But the fact remains, they are separate entities, with their own brains, and while I trust them implicitly (and because my credibility as a trainer depends on them being well trained and perfectly behaved...) I'd be stupid to guarantee that they would not bite under the right (wrong) circumstance. I'd be shocked, I'm sure, but I will never say "never".
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Pointgold...I agree completely.

Laurie...the key word is under normal circumstances. Most times when dogs bite, it isn't under normal circumstances.
A friend of mine owns the nephew of a very, very, very famous golden. This dog is known for having an incredible personality, and just being a total love. But, when someone broke into her house, this totally sweet natured, wouldn't hurt a fly golden started growling and trying to bite the police officers. They ended up having to shoot the dog, thank goodness Max lived. He's back to his normal self now, and I'm sure under normal circumstance he wouldn't bite, but when an alarm is going off, an intruder broke windows, and then strange men in uniform stroll in the house... things might be a bit different. Just saying, under tough situations, every animal has the potential to bite.
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I was reading a book about a golden that caught his owner's pant leg (and skin) with his teeth when they were playing. The man's leg needed stitches and it was classified as a dog bite (even though they were playing.
Since goldens like to play, and use their mouths when they play, I guess people could get "bitten".
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I was reading a book about a golden that caught his owner's pant leg (and skin) with his teeth when they were playing. The man's leg needed stitches and it was classified as a dog bite (even though they were playing.
Since goldens like to play, and use their mouths when they play, I guess people could get "bitten".
Believe me, Goldens will bite, and not just in play. It's heartbreaking to see. Temperament is a big issue, and must be taken into consideration when breeding.
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I board two goldens who have done serious damage to people. Both of them are the personality types that you would find it hard to believe either dog is capable of what they did.
One I've boarded many, many times since he was 6 months old. Got a phone call from the customer several years ago now that the dog had bitten their then 13 year old daughter, and she had to have around 20 stitches put in her arm. They wanted to bring the dog out to me while they all cooled off from the incident, and figured out whether to get rid of the dog.
The dog had stolen a box of chocolates off the counter, and went under a day bed with it. The daughter dove under the daybed after him to get the chocolate away from him, and he turned and let her have it.
So he came and stayed with me for 2 weeks. He was his usual happy, mellow self. During that time I tried everything I could think of to provoke him, including taking a half of a hot dog out of his mouth, and he never reacted at all.
Anyway, they kept him, and now, about 8 years later, he has never again threatened or bitten anyone. Go figure.
The other one put over 40 stitches into someone (that he knew, not a stranger). That's a serious attack. And he, too, is a big love bug that you would find it hard to believe he had it in him to do that.




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Believe me, Goldens will bite, and not just in play. It's heartbreaking to see. Temperament is a big issue, and must be taken into consideration when breeding.
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Believe me, Goldens will bite, and not just in play. It's heartbreaking to see. Temperament is a big issue, and must be taken into consideration when breeding.
Oh, now that I totally agree with. I am not talking about all goldens, just my dogs. Our rescue had to euthanize a golden who attacked his foster and she had to have surgery on her hand and arm to repair the damage. We also returned a dog to the owner who neglected to tell the intake person (but told me when I met her at the vet for her to drop him off) that he had bitten two people. One badly enough that he needed stitches. She excused it as his being afraid. The fact that she kept him confined in a laundry room for his entire life was a large part of his being so nervous. We felt horrible about returning the dog, but we couldn't take on that liability and our only other recourse would have been to euthanize him.
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I kinda think that every dog has a limit... even those angels who would never bite in the same circumstances as others. The mistake is assuming that every dog that bites is one that has a socialization or aggression problem.

My Jacks (for example) was attacked by a neighbor's dog who somehow managed to get out of his fenced yard. That dog bit my Jacks in the neck, back, and was going after his legs by the time I yanked Jacks out of the way and went to kick the attacking dog. Jacks stood there and looked confused and pinned his ears back - and never made any attempt to defend himself.

I trust Jacks around people and dogs, knowing full well that he is gentle and has never shown any signs of aggression towards anything. He has an ideal temperament.

But if he were out of his mind from pain like our other dog was, I can't say for sure that he would not involuntarily snap.

The reason why most dog bites happen, btw, is because people assume that they will not be bitten or assume that nothing will happen - and they do something stupid to put themselves or their children or other people in danger.
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I have heard that goldens are one of the highest breeds in dog bites. IMO it is because no one thinks they will. I too am guilty of this you want to love on them, and not all goldens want you to, especially a stranger, so a bite happens because the dog feels threatened.

None of my goldens have bitten, but growing up I had what I call the "anti golden". I think she had a 666 on her somewhere. I loved her, she was MY dog, BUT... knowing now what I know about dogs she should have been put to sleep for being VICIOUS!!!! She bit every member of my family at LEAST once, and got a neighbor kid once. Went after the throat of another dog, there is a LONG story about that one but the victim was INNOCENT. I still loved my dog and loved goldens. I just know now she was not the ideal golden.
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