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Before a few weeks ago I had never heard of OFA certifications, and today while researching the pedigree of my 16 week, old I discovered that her dam was given the rating of "fair", and her sire was not OFA certified but instead had pennhip done with a rating of "excellent". I noticed that with the fair rating breeding permissable but not recommended. The rest of the dogs in the pedigree seem to have rating of good, fair, or moderate. In the end it doesn't really matter, as I would never give my dog back, but should I have any worry of future hip problems? Other than the normal worry of owning a large breed dog of course.
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Fair is still a clearances and many many dogs are bred on fair hips. Keep your puppy at a good weight, exercise her on a regular basis until she decides she has had enough, no forced exercise until 2 years of age, feed a quality balanced diet and you have done all you can do. You can breed two excellent parents and get dysplastic kids. In the same turn you can breed two fairs and get an excellent. So you set them up as best we can, do clearances and hope for the best.

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Where on earth did you read that breeding a Fair is not recommended? Fair still means no DJD and no hip dysplasia. While I might not breed a Fair to a Fair, I would have no issue breeding a Fair.

And PennHip does not give ratings, rather they tell you where your dog falls in relationship to other dogs of the same breed whose hips have also been PH'd. Since the PennHip x-rays also include an OFA shot, virtually all breeders who do PennHip will also do OFA. OFA does rate hips as Excellent, Good, Fair, Borderline, Mild, Moderate or Severe. So perhaps the Excellent was the OFA rating. It would be very common to breed a Fair to an Excellent.

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I too have to chime in with it is totally permissable and acceptable to breed a dog with a "fair" OFA hip rating. My Keeper was rated "fair" hips by OFA. She is now 13 and although a little slower there has never been any issue with her hips. Nor have there been with any of her pups who will turn 9 years old next month.
I would not be overly concerned at this time about your pup. As already suggested keep her slim and in good condition. This is the same I would suggest if both parents hips were rated "excellent" by OFA.

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I'm with everybody else who says "fair" is perfectly good for breeding. Many breeders will think twice before breeding "fair" to "fair," but "fair" does not mean "almost dysplastic."

Even dogs who fail OFA for hips may never develop problems. "Fair" is the minimum for ethical breeding, but it does mean the dog has properly formed hip joints.

As far as PennHIP, it gives you an actual quantitative measurement of the laxity of the hip joint, rather than a qualitative one. You need to know more to interpret the numbers, but it can really help breeders make decisions (i.e., not all "fairs" are created equal, and PennHIP can show you if one hip is very good and the other is more loose).

PennHIP also shows you where your dog's hip laxity falls as compared to other dogs from the breed who have had PennHIP done. This percentile number is only a comparison to other dogs, not an absolute figure, so unless the dog is very high, you can't put a whole lot of stock in it. Still, it can help breeders make better breeding decisions.

Some breeders appear to be using PennHIP when their dogs fail OFA. Because PennHIP doesn't have a pass/fail comment on the paperwork, unethical breeders can fail OFA, get PennHIP, and still say "my dog's hips were checked out and certified." Since the radiographs can be taken at the same time, there's no real reason a dog would have a PennHIP rating and not an OFA clearance; it may mean the breeder is up to something shady. If a dog has PennHIP but no OFA, you need to understand exactly why before you consider its offspring.

This stuff sounds really complicated, and sometimes people feel like it's a little much to bother with over a pet dog, but you're talking about an active companion animal who, with any luck, will be with you for the next fifteen years or more. A dog will always give you his best, and we need to be giving them the absolute best shot possible at a happy, healthy life.

This means only breeding or buying dogs with proper clearances and keeping all dogs at a healthy weight. Even a dog with well-formed hips can develop debilitating arthritis and joint problems if he's allowed to be overweight, especially if he's been overweight for years. By the same token, a dog with poorly formed hips may never experience the symptoms of HD if he's kept trim. On average, trim dogs live almost two years longer than dogs who are even moderately overweight, and they experience a delay in chronic health problems of almost two years. That's an extra two full years of health and happiness with your dog! For me, it's a no-brainer.
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As far as I know, Fair is a passing grade.

Comet's Pop was Fair, and his Mom Good. He lived 12 long years, was a very big Golden, and never had a moments hip trouble.

There is always a dose of luck/chance in all of this though.

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Before a few weeks ago I had never heard of OFA certifications, and today while researching the pedigree of my 16 week, old I discovered that her dam was given the rating of "fair", and her sire was not OFA certified but instead had pennhip done with a rating of "excellent". I noticed that with the fair rating breeding permissable but not recommended. The rest of the dogs in the pedigree seem to have rating of good, fair, or moderate. In the end it doesn't really matter, as I would never give my dog back, but should I have any worry of future hip problems? Other than the normal worry of owning a large breed dog of course.

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I too have to chime in with it is totally permissable and acceptable to breed a dog with a "fair" OFA hip rating. My Keeper was rated "fair" hips by OFA. She is now 13 and although a little slower there has never been any issue with her hips. Nor have there been with any of her pups who will turn 9 years old next month.
I would not be overly concerned at this time about your pup. As already suggested keep her slim and in good condition. This is the same I would suggest if both parents hips were rated "excellent" by OFA.

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Thanks for all of your input, I won't stress to much about it now . AS for the Pennhip rating, the "Excellent" wording was teh breeder not official, the actual rating was 95%.

Also someone asked where I read that you shouldn't breed with a "fair" rating. Well I googled it, so if I found it on the internet it must be true!
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. The rest of the dogs in the pedigree seem to have rating of good, fair, or moderate. In the end it doesn't really matter, as I would never give my dog back, but should I have any worry of future hip problems? Other than the normal worry of owning a large breed dog of course.
The only thing that I would find of concern is the rating of moderate. That is a rating for a dysplastic dog. No dysplasia will be rated fair, good or excellent. Dysplastic dogs are rated mild, moderate, or severe.

I would not be overly concerned about the breeding of a fair to a fair.
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Look at the vertical pedigree. If a dog has an ancestry with a history of a lot of fairs and moderates, I'd be more concerned. As an example, I would not use an "Excellent" dog if his littermates were moderate, and I'd be very careful even if they were fairs.

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