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When to Neuter

We will be getting a male Golden in about 5 weeks. I know I will have to sign something when we pick him up,saying we will neuter him. I don't know what the time line will be as far as what the breeder wants. I'm hearing more and more that it should not be done before he is a year old, and I have even heard I should wait till he is 2. Our last Golden was neutered at 6 months old. I would like to do it at the right time for health reasons, but I'm also hoping his hair will be longer and he'll have more feathering if we wait.

The next time I talk to the breeder I will ask her for her take on this, but I wanted to have some other opinions before I talk to her.

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The best knowledge lately is after sexual maturity (so 15-24 months).
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Tons of info out there. I wish I'd known, about all the health risks, when I got my last Golden, or, I wouldn't have neutered him at 6 months. I hope you will read up on the results of the study they did on Golden Retrievers, out of UC Davis. That was an eye opener, for me. It's amazing, how much their gonads protect them.

I'm hoping, not to neuter my male, or wait until 2, at the very least. I spoke to my breeder about that, as she had a clause in her contract, to neuter and she was fine with it.

Mine is 15 months now and rarely tries to hump my other dog. He's lean, from being intact. He does mark, but then my spayed female, marks too-outside only. drawbacks to keeping an intact male, to some people, would be doggy daycare rules and dog parks, could be dicey, as well as the obvious one, of an unplanned breeding.
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Tons of info out there. I wish I'd known, about all the health risks, when I got my last Golden, or, I wouldn't have neutered him at 6 months. I hope you will read up on the results of the study they did on Golden Retrievers, out of UC Davis. That was an eye opener, for me. It's amazing, how much their gonads protect them.

I'm hoping, not to neuter my male, or wait until 2, at the very least. I spoke to my breeder about that, as she had a clause in her contract, to neuter and she was fine with it.

Mine is 15 months now and rarely tries to hump my other dog. He's lean, from being intact. He does mark, but then my spayed female, marks too-outside only. drawbacks to keeping an intact male, to some people, would be doggy daycare rules and dog parks, could be dicey, as well as the obvious one, of an unplanned breeding.
Hopefully my breeder will be OK with waiting. As far as marking, my last male Golden marked everything even when he had nothing left to get out! Outside only, thankfully. He was neutered at 6 months and it made no difference there. Oddly, he also marked the other way ... when he pooped. If I took him for a short walk he would go 3 times ... by the third time he would have to force it out.
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Since your breeder will want him to not be able to sire puppies, the other option is to get him a vasectomy. Here is a website that has information on veterinarians that do the procedure all over the country.

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I'm interested in what the breeders here say, if a client asks for a waiver for neutering for health reasons? I know that there are several members who have intact males and don't breed. We originally planned to neuter Noah after he was 2 years old, but have now decided to keep him intact because we want to try to stack every odd we can in his favor a long lived life (and we also plan to titer to avoid over vaccination, and we keep him lean and athletic). We have NO plans to breed him.

Do breeders agree if they believe the owner to be responsible, or do they just have them on limited registration? We got Noah before learning about clearances, and got him from a BYB, who had no issues with us keeping him intact, and had no contract regarding it. Though a BYB, they still keep in touch with all their puppies, even have a reunion planned for the end of the month with Noah's litter - so, while not "responsible" in the sense of a breeder, who breeds to improve the breed, is still very involved and keeps up with the puppies. When Noah's brother was killed a few weeks ago - their comment on her page was "while the puppies are only ours for a short time, we still keep them all in our hearts - we will miss Remi". I guess I say all that to say we "lucked out" in that we got a BYB who seems to care very much about their puppies, even after they've gone to their home.

In ANY case - what do reputable breeders tend to do when an owner expresses a desire to keep their male puppies intact for health reasons, with no intentions to ever breed?
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Lucy's breeder had us sign a contract that we would NOT spay/neuter until after 15 months old. It's also a no-breed contract, but she made clear that she felt it was very important to the health and development of the dogs that we wait until they are fully mature to have them fixed. Lucy just finished her first heat - a month of house arrest seemed long, but well worth it I believe!
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In ANY case - what do reputable breeders tend to do when an owner expresses a desire to keep their male puppies intact for health reasons, with no intentions to ever breed?
Our contract with Kaizer's breeder does say we should neuter only after 12 months, but his breeder actually wanted us to keep Kaizer intact for the rest of his life. It was her idea actually, she knew Kaizer was doing well (no issues whatsoever relating to him being intact) and that we had no intention to breed him (i suppose her thinking is that if we wanted it to happen, it would've happened by now lol) so she gave us the OK.
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For myself, neither of the two reputable breeders I've worked with had any requirements, they both left it up to owners to make those kinds of decisions.

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DO NOT. Do not neuter you puppy until he is 24 months. At this time you are 100% percent sure he is done physically growing. Neutering a puppy can affect his growth development, bone density, muscle proportions and temperament overall. My breeder strongly advised me not to do it, neutering is a HUGE business for all vets nowadays and there is tons of stigma on the cons of not neutering your dog that are not well supported by testing and facts. In fact, there are more cons of neutering your dog. The best way to make sure your dog will grow strong and healthy is to make sure his hormones are there to develop. Cooper is 5 months and my intention is to grow him as natural as possible, dogs are not meant to be neutered. Think about it for a second. Probably your vet, like most of them, will strongly advice you to do it. I decided to go with the vet of Coopers breeder since day 1. He was very honest with me regarding this topic. My advice, do not go for it, at least until he is 2 years old.

My experience: I had a french poodle around 11 years ago. I decided to pay for a trainer to walk him every afternoon since I didn't have time. She recommended neutering him, he was already 3 years old at the time. I decided to go for it since she told me "it would make training so much easier and his behaviour would drastically improve".
It was literally the worst thing I could have done to my dog, he stopped being as active as before ( he was very athletic) i noticed he would get tired quickly, and his temperament and personality just went down. He was shy at situations he wasn't before.

In conclusion there was no vet to tell me my poodle had this downgrade due to neutering and there is not scientifically proven information to support this. Its just my experience.

There are tones of scientifically proven facts to support the cons of neutering though.

At the end is your decision to what is the best for your dog, just my advice and opinion, don't go for it.


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