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Deciphering Pedigree and Health Certificates

Just found this site.... so far i really like it.

I am looking at a puppy from a local breeder here in VA and she sent over a whole bunch of information.
pedigrees of the parents, certificates of the health, and other documents including the contract.

Is there anyway i can get somebody familiar with these papers to take a look and let me know if there are any red flags that they spot?

The puppy is adorable.... but $2k with champion bloodlines. I want to make sure i'm not getting ripped off.

Thanks in advance....
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IF you post the full registered names of both parents we can search the online registration information.


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"Maxed" is the father of the puppy
"weatherin the storm" is the mother of the puppy

pics below of the names on the forms the breeder sent me.
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Some other ways to make sure you're not getting taken advantage of besides verifying clearances

1) Does the breeder compete in some venue with her dogs? Conformation or obedience or field training or better yet all of the above?

2) Ask why the breeder is producing this litter - to keep one for herself to show? What kind of traits is she hoping to produce in her puppies and why did she choose the sire that she did? (he or she should be able to tell you specific things they are looking for in their puppies and why the sire of the litter will hopefully be a good complement to the dam's strengths and weaknesses)

3) How many dogs does the breeder have and where do they live? Do her dogs spend time in the house? Does she raise her puppies in the house for the entire 8 weeks or just part or not at all?

4) How does she socialize her puppies? Do they meet new people when they're old enough? Go on car rides to places other than the vet? Meet children? Does she work on getting potty training started? Do they get exposed to a crate or a leash, what does she do to help them get prepared to leave the litter? How old are they when they go home?

5) Will she keep in touch with you for the life of the dog? What happens if the dog has any problems with health issues? Does the breeder refund part of the purchase price to help offset healthcare costs? If you had some kind of life issue that forced you to rehome the dog would she always take the dog back, as a safety net so the dog would never end up in a shelter?

6) Did the breeder ask YOU a lot of questions to make sure you are an ideal home for one of her puppies? A good breeder invests a lot of her heart and soul into raising a litter and feels strongly about placing them in the best home possible. She should grill you about how much you understand about training, exercising and working on obedience to make sure the puppy gets a great start in life.


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Here's the dam's OFA page: Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

And the sire: Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

The dam has an insufficient heart clearance, it should be performed by a cardiologist not a "pet vet." I personally am not impressed by her pedigree or health of her relatives. Her dam had no clearances in OFA and many of her half siblings appear to have joint issues. I see 2 moderate And one mild instance of hip dysplaysia, plus many missing hips but passing elbows. Typically you can assume that a dog failed if they have elbows but not hips or vice versa. The sire also comes from a dam without full clearances. There's a lot of gaps in the health history and I would certainly say not worth a $2,000 price tag.



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Here's the dam's OFA page: Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

And the sire: Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

The dam has an insufficient heart clearance, it should be performed by a cardiologist not a "pet vet." I personally am not impressed by her pedigree or health of her relatives. Her dam had no clearances in OFA and many of her half siblings appear to have joint issues. I see 2 moderate And one mild instance of hip dysplaysia, plus many missing hips but passing elbows. Typically you can assume that a dog failed if they have elbows but not hips or vice versa. The sire also comes from a dam without full clearances. There's a lot of gaps in the health history and I would certainly say not worth a $2,000 price tag.

Thank you for looking at her paperwork.
Any other opinions on it from other members?
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Anybody else able to give their opinion on the pedigrees of this pup's parents??
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A couple of adorable pics of the puppy too. She's absolutely precious








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I think I agree about not worth the 2000. If they were 1000 that would be a different story. I think they are to much for puppies without a history of clearances.

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The dam is the littermate to Lloyd and their pedigree is discussed in this thread:http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...ml#post6917762 (Breeding - where to start and anyone in WI?)

Personally not a breeding I would want to spend $ on let alone $2K--but everyone has to do what they're comfortable with...


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