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Jennifer1 · #1 (**permalink**) 01-22-2013, 02:35 PM

I have a co-worker who just in the last 2 weeks got a golden puppy.
When he mentioned it to me, I told him about reputable breeders vs backyard breeders and clearances etc...
But, they'd already seen and fallen in love with the puppy, so they went ahead with that. I can't really blame them, I know I'd have a hard time walking away after seeing the pups!
I did tell them to at least get the puppy to a vet within the first day or so after they got her home.
Puppy has a heart murmur, more than just a puppy murmur.
They took her to a specialist for an ultrasound and are waiting on the results now.
I guess they had a few conversations with the "breeder" and in one of the conversations they got the impression that the breeder know about the heart murmur but didn't mention it to them.
The breeder did tell them that if they wanted to return the puppy to do it soon so they could sell it to someone else before it go too old

**mylissyk** · #2 (**permalink**) 01-22-2013, 04:56 PM

What a disgusting individual (the "breeder). I hope your friends get a good prognosis. Heart murmurs can be managed and the dog can have a normal life.

OnMyWay2MyDreams · #3 (**permalink**) 01-22-2013, 05:04 PM

What in the... That just makes me so mad! I really hope the news your coworker gets is good and able to be managed and no way would I be giving that pup back..ever.

As far as walking away from a bad breeder..i have done it. It was hard but I couldnt support a bad breeder nor have the means to afford a badly bred dog. It was when I was looking for my Jack Russell. Went to a very scary place.. Pretty much told them I had to make a phone call to my hubby and hauled my butt outta there!

Jennifer1 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-22-2013, 05:17 PM

I know, I'm hoping they get a good prognosis.
I don't think the place was that scary! I get the impression its your typical, I have a dog and you have a dog, lets get them together.
I just can't believe how unscrupulous they seem to be! They'll just resell her!!!
I don't think I could give her back regardless of the prognosis. They have a 7yr old though and are concerned about a really bad prognosis. Unfortunately before they got the dog and I was trying to explain clearances I told them about some people that I know that had a dog with PAS (I don't think it was SAS) that had it die while playing at 6 months old. They are hesitant to have that situation with a small child.

Jennifer1 · #5 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 12:15 PM

I just heard from my co-worker.
The puppy was diagnosed with mild SAS.
The vets don't expect it to progress any further.
They are keeping her!

Wenderwoman · #6 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennifer1

I know, I'm hoping they get a good prognosis.
I don't think the place was that scary! I get the impression its your typical, I have a dog and you have a dog, lets get them together.
I just can't believe how unscrupulous they seem to be! They'll just resell her!!!
I don't think I could give her back regardless of the prognosis. They have a 7yr old though and are concerned about a really bad prognosis. Unfortunately before they got the dog and I was trying to explain clearances I told them about some people that I know that had a dog with PAS (I don't think it was SAS) that had it die while playing at 6 months old. They are hesitant to have that situation with a small child.

What is PAS and SAS?

Jennifer1 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 12:31 PM

Quote:

What is subaortic stenosis (SAS)?
Stenosis means narrowing: subaortic
stenosis (SAS) is a term that refers to a
narrowing of the area just below the aortic
valve, usually due to the presence of an
abnormal fibrous band of tissue. This
fibrous band can be present from birth
(congenital) or develop early in the
postnatal period. The narrowing causes
pressure overload in the left ventricle.
Other types of aortic stenosis exist, but SAS
is by far the most common and represents
more than 95% of the cases.

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/portals/0/m...%20generic.pdf

PAS, which I believe was actually PS (its been a long time since this happened) had to do with the pulmonary valve I believe.

Jennifer1 · #8 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 12:39 PM

upon a bit more research, this is what my other friends puppy died of, I remember there was an extra shunt involved (patent ductus arteriosis PDA)

Quote:

The ductus arteriosis is the fetal connection between the descending aorta and the main pulmonary artery, allowing the shunting of fetal oxygenated placental blood from the pulmonary artery to the systemic circulation bypassing the atelectic non-functional fetal lung. Following parturition and the onset of breathing, the rapid increase in arterial oxygen tension causes constriction of ductal smooth muscle and functional closure of the ductus. Anatomic obliteration occurs by necrosis and fibrosis during the first few weeks of life. Patency of the ductus arteriosus beyond 7-10 days of age is considered abnormal in dogs. Failure of ductal closure appears to be the result of histologic abnormalities within the ductal wall. The normal ductal wall contains a loose branching pattern of circumferential smooth muscle throughout its length. In prenatal pups bred to have a high probability of PDA, varying portions of the ductal wall resemble the wall of the aorta, lacking constricting smooth muscle. The anatomic appearance of the patent ductus is varied. There is a progression from a ductus diverticulum that is a blind, funnel-shaped outpouching of the aorta at the site of ductus, to a ductus that approaches the size of the aorta. The length and diameter of the ductus also vary. In some cases, there is virtually no ductus but, instead, an opening between the aorta and pulmonary artery.

https://www.addl.purdue.edu/newslett...arteriosis.asp

LilBitBit · #9 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 01:30 PM

I'm just disgusted the breeder told them to bring the puppy back to be re-sold!

Is that common practice - if a buyer returns a puppy for any reason to re-sell it at some point?

But very, very glad to hear that the murmur is mild and that they will be keeping the puppy

Jennifer1 · #10 (**permalink**) 01-24-2013, 01:35 PM

I think if people return a puppy that is a healthy happy puppy there is no reason not to resell it.
This is obviously not a good breeder. They sold a puppy that they knew had some sort of heart murmur without telling the buyers!

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