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Old 01-16-2013, 08:11 AM
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Thank you for the tips. The breeder is Millstone Goldens in Clarkston. I was warned not to use them and didn't listen.... (
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:26 AM
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Thank you for the tips. The breeder is Millstone Goldens in Clarkston. I was warned not to use them and didn't listen.... (
Huh. They are a fairly active breeder and seem to be using nice dogs...?

I'm not surprised she won't let you re-sell your dog to get your money back - please do not even consider that. I would look at your contract though and make sure that it was right there in the writing upfront before you purchased your dog that she would not give any money back should you choose to return him.

I'm actually surprised she charged $2000. o_O! Holy cow. Why?!

I was hemming and hawing about responding yesterday... my gut reaction was my usual response that this too will pass and years from now you won't believe that your dog was ever this bad.

Our Sammy had 2 bites in his first year. The first, my sister needed stitches on her arm. The other my other sister (only 3 or 4 years old) had a couple bites on her back and a cut (from toenails) on her leg. <- My baby sister didn't need stitches, and my parents only just now were told that happened.

Sammy grew up and he became a goofy and easy going dog who did funny clownish things all the time and never bit ever again the rest of his life.

We got there primarily due to the obedience instructor (who was also a behavioralist and a good portion of her business was doing housecalls or giving privates for extreme cases) really being a phone call away if we had any questions or concerns. I'd recommend her, except I know she retired years ago and can no longer handle dogs because of severe allergies (she always had allergies, but they apparently went haywire and put her in the hospital).

Please follow through and get your guy into classes. At his age, I really am not surprised to hear about bites and scratches and hyperactivity. He's a teenager. I think goldens like any other breed will definitely act up if given a loose enough leash or little training.

And dominance is not the same thing as aggression. It generally means that your dog expects to get his way and put you guys in your place. I think it's reasonable to expect this dog to cede to you or whoever is going to be the main trainer or authority figure in your home. It's not reasonable to expect him to respect your kids. They have high voices. They move fast. They squeal. They are his littermates. If he's jumping at their back and nipping - it's probably no different than what I see my Bertie doing with Jacks. All the time.

Good example is yesterday Bertie was jumping up on our couch and then leaping off with the obvious intention of landing on top of his brother. This while they were playfighting.

If he directed that playfighting and physical flinging at a child - I would probably be HORRIFIED. I suspect that may be what is going on with your dog. Only difference is he's not a 35lb puppy. You have a 70-80lb young dog on your hands. I agree that is a huge problem - it's easier to train a 30lb puppy not to kill his brother while playing vs telling a 70-80lb dog to knock it off.

Because you really are having problems and have kids (it's easier if you don't have kids or don't have YOUNG kids) and maybe haven't had this dog in classes before, I'd definitely look into somebody who will either come to your house and work with you, or work closely with you at class or give privates. I love group classes, but there isn't always enough 1 on 1 attention for problems like this.
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I appreciate you taking the time to help me. You made me feel better about all of this and we are going to keep him and get him to a behaviorist! Thanks so much!
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My second golden was a real handful. He did not break the skin but mouthed me whenever I would try to take him for a walk. My arms were bruised all the time. I had him in obedience and he was the class star always being used to show the others what to do. Take him for a walk down the block and in a different environment he was awful and I'd have to turn around and bring him back home. I took him to a behaviorist and then also worked with a private trainer. I would not give up on him and was afraid that if I sold him, the next person might think he needed a different kind of training and I did not want to see that happen. I think it took me until he was about 2. He turned out to be a wonderful dog. He just always had to have something in his mouth! This was so long ago I don't remember a lot, but I do know the behaviorist had me turn my back on him when I knew he was going to jump on me and begin to mouth. I also began to carry things to give him so he would not take my arm. Two cute stories to share. One day we were walking down the street and I saw the city bus coming and someone put their lunch bag down to get out their money or bus ticket. My reaction was not fast enough and MacGyver grabbed the lunch bag -- a few marks on it but we ret'd it. Another time the police stopped to commend him -- he would carry his doo-doo bag back home after finishing business. It took me 2 years to realize he wanted to do what goldens were born to do. I hope you get your little guy on the right tract. Good luck.
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. Did you take your puppy back to the breeder for a bit of correction? Is the dog in a kennel all day or is someone home to keep him company? In All my research i have found that sometimes the aggression can be because they are locked up to long and basically it drives the, nuts. I could be wrong, but we experienced this with the larger dogs we had in the past. Locked in a kennel all day while their family was at work and when we got the dog within a couple years (even though the dog was never kenneled because we were home) the dog had some major aggression issues. Our first golden will be coming home soon, and we will go right into training and continue till she is the dog we desire hope things work out for you!
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Oh and i just wanted to mention that as much as we love our dogs...if the new puppy "attacks" my children unprovoked aggressively, we will not keep her. Period. I watched our beloved dog attack my daughters face when she was 2.5 yrs unprovoked and no amount of training and or love would ever let me trust that dog around my daughter again. NOBODY including rescues, trainers and such would take the dog after an aggressive attack. (He was VERY well behaved, trained and loving dog before he snapped) Heartbreaking. My furry children will never be more important than my childrens safety... Seriously praying for you!!!
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We got our first dog, Chaya, from Millstones too. She was also a giant handful when she was a puppy, and our various trainers said she was the nippiest puppy they had ever met. She was also a dominant personality, and we had no clue what to do with her besides stay in class and CONSTANTLY 24/7 train. There was no room to be lax with her, no room for error.

Once she turned 1 she became an angel. Now we couldn't imagine a better dog, and really wonder where that little fur-devil went.

I hope you find a way to tame your monster - it can be done!
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I also recommend a good doggy daycare a few days a week so your puppy can learn manners and get out energy. Sometimes they only respond to corrections from their own kind, and as a teenager, he probably needs older dogs to teach him how to act.
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