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Old 12-28-2012, 11:06 PM
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Thoroughly enjoying your thread...but please post some pictures!!!

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Old 12-29-2012, 04:38 AM
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Latest update: 9.30pm Day One ...... Well it has been an eventful afternoon! We have had calm periods & we have had not so calm periods. Just come into the lounge after an evening walk & then feeding the dogs. All three dogs have settled down & we are having a well- earned glass of wine. I think we are slightly shell-shocked, but that is understandable as Roshaan is the first older puppy we have ever taken on. There have been some issues, but I am guessing they are all fairly normal. Firstly .....as well as Roshaan & Loki play together outdoors, there has definitely been some jealousy & a bit of what I would call aggression from Roshaan towards Loki. For example, I gave them both a cow hoof to chomp on when they were outside. They settled down on the grass several feet apart, happily gnawing away, then Roshaan suddenly got to his feet & went over to where Loki was laying & snatched up his cow hoof. Of course Loki immediately sprung up, snatched it back, & took off with it. Roshaan gave chase, snapping at Loki & then I saw him nip/bite Loki on the bottom ...took a lump of his fur/skin in his mouth. As Loki didn't yelp, I presume Roshaan did not actually chomp down on him & it was only brief, & when I checked Loki, his fur did not even look wet or ruffled. I told Roshaan off & the two boys settled down again. We've had several episodes of that sort of behaviour, sometimes initiated by Loki trying to be a bit of a bully, or jealous, & some by Roshaan. We are hopeful that they will lessen, as the two boys settle in with one another. Overall, I think their first day together has gone reasonably well, but this is a first for us, so not totally sure about that?

We have discovered that Roshaan has diarrhoea ...once in the car as we drove home with him, & later in the afternoon in the garden. He is ravenously hungry! His breeder said she was feeding him four cups of Royal Canin Junior per day, but he is very thin. I know setters are a relatively slender breed, but this boy is thin. Because of his diarrhoea, I have now put him onto rice, chicken & cottage cheese, which is what my vet put Loki on when he had an upset tummy at 13 weeks old. I will see how he goes over the next couple of days. On the plus side ....Roshaan is very well-mannered when his food is put down, even though he is Very hungry. And to my amazement & joy, he will sit on command, though not as quickly as Loki. He walked ok on leash, though my DH who walked ahead with him, said he was pulling quite a lot, & he was definitely yo-yoing! But this is probably the first time he has ever been walked on pavement, with cars going by. He was nervous (tail almost between his legs), but no barking at other dogs or people he saw. No barking on the walk at all. Loki was happy on the walk too & did the whole walk in one go, which he hardly ever does nowadays.

We have put the crate back up & Loki will sleep in it in the kitchen/dining room area. Roshaan will go into the ex pen with door closed. We will put Loki on one side of the room, & Roshaan on the other. If we have a disturbed night, we will take Loki in the crate back to the bedroom he was in up to a week ago, & tomorrow we will go into the city & get the largest crate for Roshaan & put him into another bedroom (we have five to choose from), & put Loki back into the ex-pen as he has been for the past few nights. Then we can work towards them sharing a room together as they settle in with one another. I hope they do ok in the same room tonight, but we will work out something if not. Just wondering if we should cover Loki's crate, or would that make him scared if he knew Roshaan was in the same room but could not see him? Any thoughts on anything would be happily received.

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Old 12-29-2012, 09:43 AM
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I have loved reading your thread. It sounds like such a great match - I am SO glad it all worked out, and that he came to you in the end.

The only thought I had was about the diarrhea - has he been checked for worms? It may be worth a deworming treatment just in case. Eating ravenously, very thin, diarrhea... all could be signs there are worms or a parasite of some kind.

Otherwise... all I want are pictures!!!
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Great to hear things are going as well as they are, it takes everyone a little time to adjust.


Hope his diarrhea clears up soon. I had a similar problem with my boy when I adopted him. He was 15-20 lbs. underweight, eating 3 cups per day and was having loose stools. My Vet dewormed him twice and gave him two rounds of antibiotics. I ended up changing his food to a Sensistive Stomach and Skin formula which cleared up his problems and he started gaining weight. He's a healthy 73-75 lbs. now.

Looking forward to seeing lots of pictures, Roshaan is a great name, love the meaning.
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I'd hold off on the high value treats given to the pups at the same time in the same area. By doing this I think you're setting them up for competition during this introduction period, something I would try and avoid.

But the bottom line is we still need some PICTURES!!!

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Day Two update: Not Good! We had a very bad night with Loki & Roshaan.evening wasn't too bad. We managed to finally sit on the sofa at around 9.30pm & all three dogs settled down for a snooze until around 11pm when Roshaan got up, so took all of them outdoors for their last pee & a romp around the garden. We put Loki into his crate on one side of the room, & Roshaan into the ex-pen,on the other side of the room. Headed off to bed, with both dogs barking .....Loki never barks when he goes to bed, but we realised there would be some stress with a new dog added to the equation. We got to bed at just after midnight. Half an hour later, with both dogs barking continuously, we heard a loud banging noise, so my Disgruntled DH got up to investigate, & returned to tell me that Roshaan had leaped over the ex-pen, which is quite high, & was running about loose in the kitchen in a highly-excitable state, with Loki barking like crazy in his crate. Chaos! We realised there was no point in returning Roshaan to the ex-pen, & he was way too big for Loki's crate, so decided he would have to sleep in the sunporch next to the room Loki was in, with the door closed between them. Loki was then put back into his ex-pen with his crate, with crate door open, which is how he has been sleeping recently. Back to bed we both headed ....after 1am now. Loki immediately settled down. Roshaan barked continuously until 3am & then was barking again at 6am, with Loki quickly joining in. So after three hours of sleep we were up again, totally exhausted.

I was expecting Roshaan to have peed in the sunporch, & maybe to have pooped, but he was a good boy & had done neither. Loki, on the other hand, had peed in his ex-pen, which is something he has not done since he was a small baby ....stress, I am guessing. The two boys went outdoors & had a long play together, whilst I got their breakfasts ready ....cooked chicken, rice & cottage cheese for Roshaan due to his two bouts of diarrhoea yesterday, & Loki & Jontay got their usual breakfast. As we had to do yesterday evening, my DH gave Roshaan his breakfast in the sunporch, which he ravenously gulped down in seconds. Loki ate only half of his usual amount (he has only been eating about half of his food since Roshaan's arrival). I removed the bowl with leftover food in it & then let Loki into the sunporch as knew Roshaan had finished his breakfast & was out in the garden with my DH. Loki went out to join them & the two boys played tug with their new rope. then suddenly Roshaan started chasing Loki all around the garden at top speed, & poor Loki look really frightened, stumbling, ears right back & eyes wide. He came thundering into the house & into the kitchen, with Roshaan on hot on his heels, & hid behind me! Roshaan then spotted some small bits of Loki's breakfast on the floor (Loki is a messy eater & I had not had a chance to clean it up before the boys came thundering back indoors).

As this is the usual place Loki eats his food, he barked at Roshaan & within seconds Roshaan went into a full-on attack, biting at poor Loki's ears & face. Loki was screaming in pain & terror. We managed to get the boys separated, but both my DH & I were badly shaken up by the attack,& Loki was left with one ear bleeding & whimpering pathetically. DH took Roshaan outdoors again & I tended to poor Loki ...fortunately no real damage done, but my poor baby looked frightened & his tail was down between his legs. I settled him into the lounge with Jontay & he immediately went to sleep .....he would not have had too much sleep last night either & with all the playing outside & the stress, he is obviously exhausted too. My DH said we could not trust Roshaan around young Loki, even with us in the room.

Roshaan seemed so gentle when he first arrived yesterday, but now it's a different dog, with Loki at least. He takes no notice of tiny Jontay, but as Jontay barks like crazy at him when he is having a go at Loki, we are really, really worried he will snap with Jontay & attack him too. So I phoned his breeder & was told this is why he was returned after a few days in his previous home! She had told us that the people returned him as they both worked long hours & did not have enough energy to exercise him! She also admitted that there had been issues of him barking throughout the night too. In the middle of all this, there was a knock at our front door & it was our next door neighbour complaining about his entire household being kept awake most of the night!

Karen, the breeder said it was obvious that Roshaan could only live happily with them, & she would come & pick him up this morning. She said at home he was gentle & had no aggressive issues with other dogs, but as this is the second time this has happened, he obviously gets so stressed in a different environment that he becomes aggressive to other family pets & develops serious food guarding issues. So she wants him to go back, & as sad as I feel about returning him to a situation where he is obviously crated or caged for the greater part of each day, I feel we have no alternative, as I cannot have my five month old puppy being attacked in his own home, which is supposed to be his safe place. As the breeder is now saying, this boy becomes so stressed taken out of his environment that he becomes a danger to other family pets.

I wish she had been honest with us before we had to have the distress of seeing our beautiful golden baby attacked, screaming & terrified! I think Roshaan would be great in a home with no other pets, but seems as if the breeder has now decided to keep him. This has been a very expensive 24 hours! We paid $400 for Roshaan, plus another $343 yesterday getting bedding, food, harness, lead & toys for him. I would rather have donated that money to our local rescue shelter, to be honest. And what is worse ....I feel distraught at returning Roshaan to what is less than a wonderful situation, though I know he is never physically abused .....I feel like I have failed him .....I feel like a failure! And I feel as if I am responsible for my precious Loki being traumatised in his own home ..... not to mention that my DH is absolutely stressed out now. David is going to have to hand Roshaan back, as I just cannot do that. So sorry for the very long posts.

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I'm so sorry for the way things turned out, I was really hoping it would work. Shame on that "breeder"!! She should be ashamed for lying to you, she put your dogs in danger. I know you feel terrible right now but at least everyone is ok, it could have been much worse. Sending {{{Hugs}}}
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I'm so sorry you had to go though this...he was definately a good looking Gordon & setters usually have a very gentle deposition. Your breeder should be reprimanded...selling him to you without disclosing his past is inexcusable to you and the dog.

And please don't feel bad...your first priority is Loki. Again I'm sorry it didn't work out but you did the right thing IMHO.

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Roshaan was picked up half an hour ago & the breeder handed us back the money we had paid for him & apologised for the ordeal we have gone through. Her husband said he could see how well Roshaan had bonded with my husband, & it was such a shame that Roshaan had this issue with Loki, & that they had decided Roshaan would now have his forever home with them. My DH was visibly upset as they left ...I had my little cry in the lounge before they arrived & Loki came over & laid his head on my lap & stared up at me with his gorgeous eyes. He has been back into the kitchen where the attack happened & is very subdued in his behaviour, but I imagine he will become his old self in a few hours. At the moment, he just seems to want to sleep, so I think he has been quite traumatised by the whole thing. His ear looks a bit sore, but I have put some of the cream the vet gave for his hotspot, on the bite, so hopefully all will be well with that. I will keep an eye on it.
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Oh, I'm so sorry. What an awful and traumatic experience for you all. It just makes me feel so sad - for everyone involved. I hope Loki is feeling better this morning. It might take a few days and lots of love. But I feel bad for Roshaan, too. He was put in a home that was not going to be best for him. I hope his breeder is more honest with his next one.

I'm sorry it didn't work out.
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