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Old 01-02-2013, 04:29 PM
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I've had the same thing happen to me so many times! I have a neighbor with two shihtzues and as usual they don't listen and allow their dogs to nip at my dog. I'm just waiting for my girl to bite back. Her hair stands up and tries to walk on the other side of the road when we pass them. I've also got a really snappy neighbor that used to let her black dog run loose through the neighborhood. My cat has almost gotten attacked way too many times. What got her to put him on a leash was my two Goldens accidentally ran out behind me as I was running out the door when her dog was chasing my cat. All they did was bark like crazy, but they saved my cat's life because they distracted the dog from attacking. Now every time I walk past she yells all sorts of jibber jabber. I just ignore and walk on. That's the best thing to do. I always bring my camera just in case though.
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:44 PM
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In that case, you're unlikely to get the footage you need to make your case.

You probably wouldn't be able to use it in a court of law if they had no knowledge of the filming, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be useful. The woman's husband is a city employee, and I'm sure this could prove embarrassing to him someday, depending on what his ambitions are. News organizations aren't held to the same standards as the courts. Perhaps he isn't aware of the situation.....

I'm not suggesting that is what needs to be done in this case. Depending on the circumstances he/she will have to decide how to handle it.


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The whole purpose of the disclaimer is to make sure the other person has knowledge they are being recorded. One it will make them behave responsibly to avoid a court situation. And two, if it does get to that they cannot claim they had no knowledge since from the beginning you recorded yourself informing them of such.

I am in no way in the legal field and each state varies in regards to this.
IMHO - it does not hurt to check.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:03 PM
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The whole purpose of the disclaimer is to make sure the other person has knowledge they are being recorded. One it will make them behave responsibly to avoid a court situation. And two, if it does get to that they cannot claim they had no knowledge since from the beginning you recorded yourself informing them of such.

I am in no way in the legal field and each state varies in regards to this.
IMHO - it does not hurt to check.
I'm sure it does vary by state, but I believe that it's not necessarily illegal in my state, just not admissible if the other party has no knowledge. This based on a conversation I had with a judge not long ago.

Regardless, I was just thinking out loud. I do that often. LOL


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I just read through this entire thread and a few things occurred to me. It is 'illegal to defend oneself in certain areas of Canada'??? ***? Jeez and I thought the laws were draconian here in NY. I guess I wouldn't make a real good Canadian citizen in that case. My feelings on the matter are: I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I don't give a flying **** at a rolling doughnut WHAT the 'law' says, I reserve the right to defend myself (or my dog) AT ALL TIMES.

Regarding the psychotic little fur ball (and it's imbecilic owner), I would give it a pass the first time but DEFINITELY not a second let alone a fifth. Axl has had to correct a few small dogs with similar behaviors and by that I do NOT mean harm it in any way. I am proud to say that he has never gotten into a physical confrontation with a dog smaller than he is. He simply lunges at it snarling savagely like he means business (without making contact) and in every case that has been enough to send the smaller dog off yelping like it was shot. Same as if he were 'correcting' a rambunctious puppy. There is no intent to harm or attack, it's just canine for 'get out of my face and back off tiny'.
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I'd file a complaint with the City and include the past incidents as well. People are just ignorant. We had something similar in my neighborhood and some people did not file anything and then when a woman walking her daughters New Foundlands was attacked (this a German Shepherd and Pit Bull who are the problems) nothing was able to be done because it was "first" offense. Had previous attacks been reported, the dogs would have been put down.
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My feelings on the matter are: I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I don't give a flying **** at a rolling doughnut WHAT the 'law' says, I reserve the right to defend myself (or my dog) AT ALL TIMES.
I think there's far more danger to me and my dogs from people who hold this kind of belief and walk around armed and willing to dispense harm if they feel threatened. All it takes is somebody thinking he's "defending himself" who misreads a dog's body language, and it's the dog who suffers from the pepper spray or whatever other weapon the human has decided is necessary for "defense."
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Thanks for those that helped. I stopped replying after the comment was made that I allowed this dog to purposely attack mine several times on different occasions. I explained it was difficult to control my 60lb dog who wants to attack this dog, a little dog weaving between your legs, your dogs legs, on the thick ice or in the pitch black middle of the night. If this shih tzu were a laarger dog, trust me I would of dealt with it. Its so much easier to drop my guys leash when they are locked into a fight and do what I need to do to gain control of the attacking dog simply because my dog will let the other dog go on an "Aus" command (which means "out" in german".). If needed he knows a command to "bite" as well.

I love my dogs very much and to say I would allow my dogs to be attacked multiple times upsets me to no end.

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Tippykayak, I think there's far more danger to me and my dogs from people who hold this kind of belief and walk around armed and willing to dispense harm if they feel threatened. All it takes is somebody thinking he's "defending himself" who misreads a dog's body language, and it's the dog who suffers from the pepper spray or whatever other weapon the human has decided is necessary for "defense."
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Are You kidding me??? I feel teeth they are going to get whats coming to them!! A dog runs up to you he is not defending himself!!! He bites me I am not the only one who is going to hurt!
If you're talking about a situation after a dog has bitten you or your dog, that's a whole other kaboodle. Then, you know that the dog is dangerous because it's been proven. But since it's hard to even get a hand on a collar during a true dog fight, I don't see how a weapon is useful.

Before the dog bites, the use of force isn't justified. After he bites, you seem quite likely to do as much harm to your own dog as to the attacker. Even trained professionals wouldn't mess around trying to discharge a weapon one handed while holding a fighting dog on the leash with the other. I still think you're better off keeping your cool and using your head than carrying specialized equipment capable of injuring a dog or person.
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Thanks for those that helped. I stopped replying after the comment was made that I allowed this dog to purposely attack mine several times on different occasions. I explained it was difficult to control my 60lb dog who wants to attack this dog, a little dog weaving between your legs, your dogs legs, on the thick ice or in the pitch black middle of the night. If this shih tzu were a laarger dog, trust me I would of dealt with it. Its so much easier to drop my guys leash when they are locked into a fight and do what I need to do to gain control of the attacking dog simply because my dog will let the other dog go on an "Aus" command (which means "out" in german".). If needed he knows a command to "bite" as well.

I love my dogs very much and to say I would allow my dogs to be attacked multiple times upsets me to no end.

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I already apologized that I worded it that way. I was responding to tippykayak in regards to the whether it would be appropriate to pepper spray a 10 lb dog. I still argue that it's not. I don't know what your circumstances were. I'm speaking for myself. No way in hell is a 10 lb Shih Tzu going to bite my dog on 2,3,4, or 5 occasions, and I wouldn't need pepper spray, because I would probably eventually kick the dog or grab it by the scruff and hand deliver it to the owner. It doesn't sound like you would do that. That's OK.

I apologize, once again.
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