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Police have the right to lie about things while they on the job. So, if this person has a lot of pull with the cops then I wouldn't trust what he or she said. Talk to a cop outside the area that wouldn't have any connections with this person.
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ShiTzu's are near feral due to inbreeding, almost all of them in the west came from just 2 pair. They can not be trained. They are vicious and mentally unstable. And the lady is correct, it is illegal to defend yourself from attack in Canada, just as it is in the UK, and just as it will be in Australia before long.

It is illegal to capture images of other people without written permission. There is no presumption of or expectation of individual privacy in Canada, the UK, Australia or anywhere else in the Commonwealth. We in the US were unique in that right because of the excesses of the British government. But we have lost that right in the "security" laws since 2001.

However, I recommend ridding the world of one more little vermin animal and let your dog defend himself. Video just THAT. I don't believe that animals are restricted to the stupid statutes that turn citizens into subjects.


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Then why would the police tell me its illegal no matter what form its in?
I thought that if you bought it from some company that makes sure it's packaged as 'specifically for attacking dogs or bears' you would be okay. But, after a google search, it does seem like it's illegal. I thought I read that it was allowed. Does anyone know about this alleged P.C.P Act No. 23548 and whether it's legitimate or not?

Black Max DOG Pepper Repellent Spray for protection Dog Attack - Sarnia Buy & Sell Goods - Kijiji Sarnia Canada.

I bought Black Max dog pepper spray some years ago after my Pom was attacked. So, I was carrying around something illegal without knowing it? It's absurd.

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pepper spray is illegal in ontario. i know that you can carry bear spray and wasp spray that will deter a dog but again it holds the same risks to as pepper spray, ex: accidently spray/injure your own dog.
Do they go blind for good? I will say it again. Unless there is permanent damage, then why wouldn't you want to protect your dog from some attacking dog off a leash? I read of this GR in the thread getting attacked, having puncture wounds and needing stitches. The dog might have some emotional damage, also. It might bark at other dogs and act in a way it wouldn't have before when it encounters other dogs. It's a defence mechanism but the change never should have happened.

As long as the dog is okay after the pepper spray is in its face and eyes, I think it's an acceptable deterrent. Do you know of a better one? I wish we could spray the owner but the laws are ridiculous. I guess they're not going to allow someone to protect their person. Why would they allow someone to protect their pet? Geez...

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I would do everything to avoid this person. I would walk in a different direction, I would not go past her house. My main concern would be
for my dog, and I would not give her any excuse/reason to make things difficult for my dog.

Where Ken and I live there is a German Shepherd that looks very threatening and his owners don't look like they have much control over him at all. He's growled at Ken, I, Tucker, Tonka, and they've really had to hold unto him. We know pretty much what their schedule is and we make sure that we don't walk our dogs at that time.

P.S. I am not saying anything against the German Shepherd breed. Our next door neighbors have a GSD who is just wonderful and friendly!
A GSD attacked my Pom some years ago. I think that breed has been among the most abused and neglected in terms of breeding. There's so many mixes and stupid, careless owners that have ruined the personality of these dogs. I thought GR and the mixing of poodles and other breeds was pretty bad. But, I think it's hard to find a genuine GSD with working lines or that is purebred with owners that have a clue on how to look after this breed.
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It is actually not illegal to video anyone while in public as there is no expectation of privacy outside the home. I would video until my hearts content. When she tells you to stop, I would say "Sue me"
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Do they go blind for good? I will say it again. Unless there is permanent damage, then why wouldn't you want to protect your dog from some attacking dog off a leash? I read of this GR in the thread getting attacked, having puncture wounds and needing stitches. The dog might have some emotional damage, also. It might bark at other dogs and act in a way it wouldn't have before when it encounters other dogs. It's a defence mechanism but the change never should have happened.

As long as the dog is okay after the pepper spray is in its face and eyes, I think it's an acceptable deterrent. Do you know of a better one? I wish we could spray the owner but the laws are ridiculous. I guess they're not going to allow someone to protect their person. Why would they allow someone to protect their pet? Geez...
I agree but unfortunately our laws prevent us from protecting ourselves and our loved ones (fur babies included). I would do anything for Chloe and I thought another members suggestion to me about the wasp spray was a good solution. I don't think the dog suffers permanant damage but I would assume that it could be a possiblity. It would be interesting to hear what the SPCA or other organizations suggestion how we should protect ourselves and dogs against other loose dogs while staying within our legal rights. Anyways, I just thought I would mention that I know that pepper spray is illegal in Ontario but I dont know the logistics surround it or other forms of protection devises.
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ShiTzu's are near feral due to inbreeding, almost all of them in the west came from just 2 pair. They can not be trained. They are vicious and mentally unstable. And the lady is correct, it is illegal to defend yourself from attack in Canada, just as it is in the UK, and just as it will be in Australia before long.

It is illegal to capture images of other people without written permission. There is no presumption of or expectation of individual privacy in Canada, the UK, Australia or anywhere else in the Commonwealth. We in the US were unique in that right because of the excesses of the British government. But we have lost that right in the "security" laws since 2001.

However, I recommend ridding the world of one more little vermin animal and let your dog defend himself. Video just THAT. I don't believe that animals are restricted to the stupid statutes that turn citizens into subjects.


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My Shihtzu mix is friendly and does not act like that. She was raised properly
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Ok, this is not going to be a popular response but, I would drop kick that dog!! Then the Lady after that!! LOL
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Its illegal to video tape someone here without their permission. I can audio tape though. I have already been to court with her once before. She so stupid. I cant stand it.

Sadly, it will ALWAYS be the larger dog thats blamed even if the little dog was the one starting everything
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Never mind. You're in Canada. No stun guns.

I'd go with the dog spray instead.

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I thought that if you bought it from some company that makes sure it's packaged as 'specifically for attacking dogs or bears' you would be okay. But, after a google search, it does seem like it's illegal. I thought I read that it was allowed. Does anyone know about this alleged P.C.P Act No. 23548 and whether it's legitimate or not?

Black Max DOG Pepper Repellent Spray for protection Dog Attack - Sarnia Buy & Sell Goods - Kijiji Sarnia Canada.

I bought Black Max dog pepper spray some years ago after my Pom was attacked. So, I was carrying around something illegal without knowing it? It's absurd.

Do they go blind for good? I will say it again. Unless there is permanent damage, then why wouldn't you want to protect your dog from some attacking dog off a leash? I read of this GR in the thread getting attacked, having puncture wounds and needing stitches. The dog might have some emotional damage, also. It might bark at other dogs and act in a way it wouldn't have before when it encounters other dogs. It's a defence mechanism but the change never should have happened.

As long as the dog is okay after the pepper spray is in its face and eyes, I think it's an acceptable deterrent. Do you know of a better one? I wish we could spray the owner but the laws are ridiculous. I guess they're not going to allow someone to protect their person. Why would they allow someone to protect their pet? Geez...

A GSD attacked my Pom some years ago. I think that breed has been among the most abused and neglected in terms of breeding. There's so many mixes and stupid, careless owners that have ruined the personality of these dogs. I thought GR and the mixing of poodles and other breeds was pretty bad. But, I think it's hard to find a genuine GSD with working lines or that is purebred with owners that have a clue on how to look after this breed.
I don't live there, but a Google search on my end comes up with numerous results saying dog or bear spray is legal in Canada.

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