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Old 11-14-2012, 08:36 AM
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This description from AKC describes my thoughts exactly on this dog being able to live either in or outdoors.
This active and energetic Sporting breed can adapt to many different living situations but requires daily exercise. His water-repellant double-coat sheds seasonally and needs regular brushing.
His temperament is very family oriented and thus he does make a great indoor pet for those choosing so. But, this is a HUNTING dog with log hair bred for life for outdoors. And, I personally feel it's an injustice to keep him confined indoors. But ,those are my thoughts and feelings.
My original post was requesting help for kennelling my rehomed Golden. I was quickly reminded of how this was an injustice to this animal to keep him away from a family inside of a home and this was repeated over and over and over to me; even suggesting a rehome this poor animal AGAIN because I might be insufficient to care for an animal because I chose to keep him outside. My wife and daughter have hair allergies, yes, and that prevents keeping a long haired dog inside. But I still have my own set of ideas and values regarding hygiene and so forth of keeping a big dog in the home. I REPEATEDLY kept asking to keep the thread on focus, but you guys would not stop. Over and OVER and OVER posts were put up degrading me for keeping the animal outside. Until you finally pushed me over the edge and FORCED me to give my opinion of YOU....which I had respectfully held back.
One person said, I forget, I think 99% of you guys keep your dogs indoors and I am strictly in the minority with keeping a Golden outside. I'm sure that's true.
I'm also relatively sure that, just like me, those that do not choose to keep a hunting dog in their living room floor have chased away from this forum.
Again, members here in this clique can voice THEIR opinion very freely and without restraint. But when I was forced to voice MY opinion...oh my..it was a different story.
People are and should be passionate about their pets. And, public forums should be open to discuss and learn as a resource not chastise and judge. Or the forum should be private and membership selective.
If this forum is to be open to the public, and not just a few Golden cliques, then it needs to be clearly defined before a member joins:
This forum is only meant to discuss the culture of Golden's that are kept indoors.
Nothing else. Period. along with any other predefined conditions that might need to be known up front. Don't let somebody join then make meat out of them for not agreeing with you. That's misleading and sort of like bait for a fight.
Again, I applaud those of you that have chosen to keep these hunting dogs in your domicile. Especially those rescued. Bentley clearly demands a lot of constant attention. I cannot imagine what a home would be like with an animal that size demanding that much attention inside or the damage he would do. That must be horrendous pressure inside of the home.

I am an excellent dog owner and will continue as such. And, my family and myself are thoroughly enjoying Bentley a lot.
You need someone who won't stand up for their values and beliefs. You need 'yes' people here or you need to make the forum private, invitation only.
As I leave,I encourage you to be nicer to new people here.
Or at the very least, warn them up front, they need to leave the forum unless they abide by the pack rules here of:
'if the dog ain't IN at home, then you ain't IN here.'
This will be my last post.
I have requested that my account be deactivated.
I truely wish each of you the best and hope you have great holidays ahead,
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:56 AM
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Please read up on the breed.

They were also bred for companionship, and the majority of goldens today have especially been bred to need and want companionship.

I believe that there is a lot of ignorance coming from your direction and or you are upset about people calling you out for hiding behind your wife and child as far as the reasons why you keep your dog as a lawn ornament or a status symbol, and do not value that dog as a member of the family.

There are breeds that actually are very independant and do not form close bonds with their people. You would be better suited looking at different breeds - especially as you apparently have an aversion to long hair on a dog.

You came to this forum upset because the dog you keep caged on your property keeps escaping. And you were requesting advice on how to build a better cage. Or something to that effect. And from the sounds of it, you were planning to crate the dog in a cage? Or something. <- I can't comprehend your reasons for keeping a golden retriever the same way other people keep goats. It very likely is a cultural gap thing.

But since this is a forum that people can freely access by googling or whatever, I think it's important that people looking into the breed know well ahead of time why a golden retriever probably wouldn't be the appropriate breed for them.
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I thought I'd throw this out to you, just in case you have'nt deactivated as of yet. As long as you take care of your dog best of your ability I can respect you making your choice for outside. This is a forum of pet owners thoughts and opinions. You have to respect that too. My golden is of the sporting group, but not raised to be a hunter therefore he's very content to be by my side. Inside and outside to play. I personally do not know of anyone that would buy a golden to keep only outside. They thrive on people's love and attention, that is why we love this breed. I am sorry you felt alienated.
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I just want to say that I am sorry you were treated so poorly. I missed your original post or I would have replied that my goldens are housed outside during the daytime - in a secure dog yard with dog houses and even a shed that was built into a garage exclusively for them; they use this shed during bad weather as there is no view (only a doggie door built into the shed's steel door) ... they do prefer to be in the main dog yard (approx 50 x 25 feet) that is surrounded by woods on 3 sides and the garage mentioned above on 1/2 of the other side, rose bushes complete the remaining 1/2 side which also has th egate. The fencing is 6 foot, buried 1 foot so 5 feet of fencing are above the ground. The area is built such that they cannot get a 'running start' to jump over the fencing since the long sides are obstructed by trees and they are just plain happy in their yard - happy when I get home as well, when they are fed, trained, played with etc before bedtime so they still spend more time outside

My oldest dog will sometimes stay the day inside (he is closing in on 12 yo and while his spirit is willing his body can use a break from a 5 yo male, a 4 yo female and a 4 month old puppy), but he is usually escatic when the younger males go to day training and he gets to spend the day in the dog yard with Ms Towhee

It can be done and I doubt if there is a living soul who could meet my dogs and suggest they are neglected or abused in any way - and yes an active, hunting dog can adjust to living indoors, but generally prefer quality time with their people balanced with their need to run, dig, swim, roll, experience the weather and in general be the dogs they were bred to be.

There are many on this forum who I believe are very young and/or very passionate but who see their way as the only way; but there is also a lot of compassion and knowledge on this forum if you can get beyond the 'dogs are people too' brigade.
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There are many on this forum who I believe are very young and/or very passionate but who see their way as the only way; but there is also a lot of compassion and knowledge on this forum if you can get beyond the 'dogs are people too' brigade.
Sharon, I think you equating your own home with the one that this guy presented is kinda bizarre.

For one thing, from the sounds of it your dogs have the company of other dogs. You are not just keeping Brady in a kennel 24/7 and then going on forums and asking for help keeping him from escaping the kennel. And I've seen pictures of your dogs in the house, so you apparently do not feel that them being inside is nasty and odd.

My "very young" or "very passionate" (I'm not sure which in your opinion applied to me) opinion comes from personal experience (our first golden was outside most of his first 7 months). And helping out with rescue groups as well as helping dogs who were in homes such as this guy's home. I'm not sorry for disrespecting this guy's crazybutt opinion of how golden retrievers need be kept.
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I just want to say that I am sorry you were treated so poorly. I missed your original post or I would have replied that my goldens are housed outside during the daytime - in a secure dog yard with dog houses and even a shed that was built into a garage exclusively for them; they use this shed during bad weather as there is no view (only a doggie door built into the shed's steel door) ... they do prefer to be in the main dog yard (approx 50 x 25 feet) that is surrounded by woods on 3 sides and the garage mentioned above on 1/2 of the other side, rose bushes complete the remaining 1/2 side which also has th egate. The fencing is 6 foot, buried 1 foot so 5 feet of fencing are above the ground. The area is built such that they cannot get a 'running start' to jump over the fencing since the long sides are obstructed by trees and they are just plain happy in their yard - happy when I get home as well, when they are fed, trained, played with etc before bedtime so they still spend more time outside

My oldest dog will sometimes stay the day inside (he is closing in on 12 yo and while his spirit is willing his body can use a break from a 5 yo male, a 4 yo female and a 4 month old puppy), but he is usually escatic when the younger males go to day training and he gets to spend the day in the dog yard with Ms Towhee

It can be done and I doubt if there is a living soul who could meet my dogs and suggest they are neglected or abused in any way - and yes an active, hunting dog can adjust to living indoors, but generally prefer quality time with their people balanced with their need to run, dig, swim, roll, experience the weather and in general be the dogs they were bred to be.

There are many on this forum who I believe are very young and/or very passionate but who see their way as the only way; but there is also a lot of compassion and knowledge on this forum if you can get beyond the 'dogs are people too' brigade.
Sunrise,
Your dogs spend a great deal of time outdoors but their physical and mental needs are both met... they are not isolated. I also missed the original thread, but I suspect the great problem that people had was that a dog bred primarily to serve people and for close companionship would be so isolated. Solitary confinement for these dogs is not acceptable.

I doubt we will change his mind.
p.s. For the record, if I had to come back as a dog, I hope I end up at your house
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As I mentioned I did not see the original thread, but I have seen how this subject brings up some very hurtful replies in the past.

I was not thinking of you when I mentioned 'very young' or 'very passionate'; just some historical threads on this subject.


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My "very young" or "very passionate" (I'm not sure which in your opinion applied to me) opinion comes from personal experience (our first golden was outside most of his first 7 months). And helping out with rescue groups as well as helping dogs who were in homes such as this guy's home. I'm not sorry for disrespecting this guy's crazybutt opinion of how golden retrievers need be kept.
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I don't have anything to offer on this thread but since it was mentioned the original thread was not seen I thought I would post it here.

http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...ed-please.html (Kennel help needed please.)
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I didn't see the original thread (but will look at BayBeams' link), but want to offer four thoughts:

1. My goldens can go in and out as they please. Guess what? They choose to spend most of the day inside.

2. Goldens need liberal contact with family/pack. They are extremely social. They need their group around them. They suffer emotionally without it.

3. This guy shouldn't own a Golden. I'll happily take his dog off his hands and give it a happy life, which it is missing out on, now.

4. Too bad he came in here with his preconceived notions and was not willing to be educated. He came in wanting to hear something in particular, and when he didn't get it he got angry and refused to learn. Instead, he just labels the people here something nasty, and refuses to consider that they might just know what they are talking about. Very sad.
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