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Old 01-22-2013, 10:48 PM
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Jay, I'll be interested to see how she does around dogs as time goes by. Bella's insecurity emerged in the form of being over assertive with other dogs. I don't think she had much socialization at all. She doesn't seem to know what to do, so she gets right in their face and barks. My two cents: keep Kaylee home with GB for a week or so except for neighborhood walks. I suspect the larger world is a bit scary to her right now. Are you feeding her the old owner's food or have you switched her to the same one as GB?
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:17 PM
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To answer those questions, we have a small amount of her old food and we are going to slowly transitiion her over to the new food. She never got treats before so we are slowly going to start those with tiny training sessions.

I totally agree with keeping her home for at least a week, except for her walks. Then we will introduce balanced dogs that we know on lead, before any off lead play sessions.

We are taking her to the vets on the weekend for a general checkup and she will stay for a quick spey. We have an intact male Alaskan Malamute next door who could knock down the fence if she went into heat. Plus we might be dog sitting him in a months time, we don't want any accidental pregnancies. She is up to date with her vaccinations, her ears are clear and she has lovely teeth. We have vet checks on both her parents and we meet her mom who was healthy.

If anyone has any tips, they are very welcome.

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Old 01-27-2013, 05:44 AM
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So Kaylee has come into heat, she's been with us for less than a week. Her surgery was booked for later this week and we've had to call to cancel it . So far she has been very clean about it lucky for us. We have been by the neighbours to warn them about her (they have a very big Alaskan Malamute who is very friendly and intact), luckily we don't hve to dogsit as they will be moving out before their holidays.
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My vet compared Buddy to a puppy when I brought him home- Even though he was over 2.5 years old everything was new to him. He was a giant baby and in many ways still is! The only thing I didn't need to work on with him was not chewing things up- He would chew himself raw though
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We are still working. We've finally hit that point with Pandora where she doesn't think we're going to get rid of her. It's been 6 months and the vet assumes she is about 3. She will rip up toys and romp around the house without constantly checking to see if it's ok. Although she still acts like a starving dog and we now refer to her as "Fatty" since she would eat her dinner, her sister's, the cat's, then still come beg for more. Hopefully that is the next thing she grows out of.

As far as socialization goes, we sort of put her in a sink or swim situation at the dog park. She stuck close to us at first and would only play with her sister October. Now she is much better, she will even initiate play with other dogs. She doesn't get nearly as drooly around other dogs anymore either, unless it's an intact male. Then she's like a fountain, I just assume that has to do with having been a backyard breeder.

Our main problem we have is house vs park vs outside. She knows several commands, sit, off, lay down, shake, cage, come, stay/wait, and no inside and at the park she at least manages sit, off, and come but when we are outside and it's just her, she acts like she has no brain at all. She literally will not sit unless you (gently) push her butt down, she even tried to climb into the dumpster while I was trying to toss the poop bag in. I would expect this at the park, but it's the opposite, the more dogs around the better she listens.

This is a dog that can be let out off leash and won't stray more than 20 feet from you, but loses her brain on a leash. We have yet to take her to formal training classes with her being sickly, then in heat, then spayed, then us moving, so that has to happen yet.

Any tips or any other rescue owners experience this?
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A lot of dogs with questionable pasts garner 'security' - courage (if you will) from the company of other dogs - they feel safer (as more often than not they have had few if any negative experiences with other dogs) and less anxious - so have an easier time paying attention to commands.
' Just her, she acts like she has no brain at all' and 'loses her brain on leash', suggests that she is extremely stressed in these situations. Stress can be displayed by hyper active behavior or by 'shutting down' doing nothing- in either case she cannot think or respond to cues. Does she get more 'animated'? or does it seem like she is 'ignoring' cues slows down or stops moving? Either way, she is telling you that she does not feel safe being 'alone' and on leash with a person..
To help her over come this. Start in the house where she feels 'safer', spend some time in a room with just you and her, block the other pets away. Sit on a chair or on the floor and over time, move to standing up. Don't ask anything of her, and avoid eye contact, just reward with praise and food rewards any behaviors you like. Toss her treats, feed her from your hand, walk around, just let her be. Attach a leash, but don't hold it, continue with the treats, over time, pick up the leash and just hold it and feed her more treats. Avoid putting any tension on the leash, move with her if she moves. Even if she is fine with this, continue reinforcing with calm praise and food rewards, the goal is to create positive associations and reinforce to her that with being alone with you and on leash is a good thing.
Then take her out in the yard, just the two of you. Start over, have her offleash and reward and praise, for her approaching, following, moving with you, anything 'positive'. Gradually build to where you can have her on leash and she is comfortable with that. It is very important that she have only good associations with being with you and on leash - avoid any type of physical (leash) or harsh verbal 'corrections', 'mark' a mistake with a verbal cue such as 'oops' or 'wrong' to let her know she made a mistake, and show her what you want her to do.
When you take her for a walk on leash, if you haven't been doing so, go 'solo', (short walks to start with) yes, she will be less anxious with another dog along, but she will benefit from the experience of doing it 'by herself' with you.
Trust and confidence in us is earned, through creating and reinforcing positive experiences with our dogs. It takes time, patience, and compassion - understand that her previous experiences with one-on-one interactions with people may not have been all good, understand also that you can change how she feels about those situations by ensuring that only good things happen when she is with you.
My rescue came to me, afraid of the collar and terrified of the leash, it took me six months to help him learn that just having the leash attached to his collar was not the end of the world. My other dogs helped teach him that people were okay, but learning to feel safe - one-on-one with me, took a lot longer, it is ALL about trust.
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My first question for those who have ideas, is How do you help an insecure dog increase her security? Bella has various quirks that she brought with her. Most involve barking--at strangers and other dogs, at sounds outside the house, at people walking by our car, etc. I feel these all stem from her basic insecurity and I'm not sure how to address that at the root. I'm working with her to remediate the behaviors, but I want her to feel secure about life in general. Is it that she doesn't fully trust me yet? Can I do anything to help her? My other dogs do not act this way (but they do get caught up in the barking... )
It takes time. Training a insecure dog is a whole different world than raising a pup, god knows what their life was like.

Fiona barked a whole lot more when I adopted her, rarely happens anymore.

On the other hand Tucker was my doorbell, woof woof, and I loved it. Every dog is such an individual.

It can take years for a bond/trust to develop. Learn to read body language, set them up for success and appreciate their characteristics. They can only change so much sometimes.

Training is a life long thing, rescue or not. Dogs can revert to unwanted behaviors and it is up to us to nip it in the bud.

Classes are wonderful but I have always done real life. I've thrown the world at my kids one baby step at a time.

Fiona was super glue to the extreme. Had to move my feet back and forth inches in front of her to teach her to stay. Back up a foot and so forth.
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Oh wow, the stories about rescue dogs (especially the ones who spend their whole lives on a short leash) make me cry! I'm so happy that you all are taking the time to work with them and make their lives better, you guys are doing a great thing

We just got our first golden a couple weeks ago; luckily, we haven't really had too many problems with him. He does have a little bit of separation anxiety, he HAS to be in the same room (and even the same part of the room) as we are; if I step outside or into another room for a second and shut the door, he whines. Luckily, I like him next to me anyway, so it's not hurting anything except when we have to go run an errand and we can't take him. Ours is at least the fourth home he's been in so far (he's only a year old) so it's understandable.

He still jumps up and mouths on people, but we're working on that. I'm just so glad that the people who owned him before us were nice to him (apart from not teaching him ANY obedience whatsoever!), because it would be so hard going through what you guys are!
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Congrats on the rescue goldens everyone.

Just here to give a short update about Kaylee. She has settled in really well now that she is over her heat. If we put aside her medical issues with spaying, infections, lumps she is awesome. She is really food motivated much more than Guybrush she will do anything for a treat, we are back at training every Sunday and we start dancing with dogs this Wednesday. SO far she knows the commands sit, drop, up, down, stand, heal, touch and crawl but only when we have treats.

The only problem at the moment is her excitement when I let the dogs in when I come home. She jumps and grabs my arms, its excited mouthiness which I'm kind of glad that she feels comfortable enough to do but it leaves bruises. On a normal person it wouldn't bruise but with my connective tissue disorder it looks like I have been attacked! At the moment I am taking out treats with me and having them sit and calm down before they get rewarded. Does this sound like the right way to get through to her? I'm only having limited success.

Hope everyone has a wonderful time with their golden bundles of joy!
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Congrats on the rescue goldens everyone.

Just here to give a short update about Kaylee. She has settled in really well now that she is over her heat. If we put aside her medical issues with spaying, infections, lumps she is awesome. She is really food motivated much more than Guybrush she will do anything for a treat, we are back at training every Sunday and we start dancing with dogs this Wednesday. SO far she knows the commands sit, drop, up, down, stand, heal, touch and crawl but only when we have treats.

The only problem at the moment is her excitement when I let the dogs in when I come home. She jumps and grabs my arms, its excited mouthiness which I'm kind of glad that she feels comfortable enough to do but it leaves bruises. On a normal person it wouldn't bruise but with my connective tissue disorder it looks like I have been attacked! At the moment I am taking out treats with me and having them sit and calm down before they get rewarded. Does this sound like the right way to get through to her? I'm only having limited success.

Hope everyone has a wonderful time with their golden bundles of joy!
Sounds like it is going well.
Preventing her from jumping up by getting and rewarding for the behavior you do want, teaches her what to do. Kaylee has likely practiced those 'inappropriate greetings' in her former home, so it is going to take some practice and consistency to train a new 'habit' for her. Suggest that when she gets it right, 'jackpot' her, occassionally (feed several treats in a row, fed one at a time) high praise and pets. Remember to reinforce Guybrush's good behavior as well! Practice 'sit to greet' in other situations as well, at times when she is not over excited to help instill and reinforce the 'habit'.
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