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Old 01-02-2013, 02:11 PM
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I finally got the wife to stop listening to the dog whisper

she has been following his instructions to a tee and i could see it was breaking Caleb's spirit and I knew in my heart that intimidation and pack leader mentality was causing him to withdraw into himself.

this is the first golden that we got that was trained to show and 9 months old when we got him and he did not have the social skills our other GRs had since we got them as pups. He is a little mouthy and he loves to standup on his back legs and be hugged, which my wife hates. I say its not the same as a dog jumping up on you where he puts force on you as a way of dominating a person. he gently rises up and puts his legs around you and squeezes in tight for a hug.

anyway it was a miserable time, always trying to point your finger at him or poke him when he did that.

I really think his idea of rolling a dog on his back and dominating him if he shows aggression will only make the dog meaner and put you in risk of getting bit
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I'm glad your wife has "seen the light." Cesar has a lot to account for... there are a lot of unhappy pooches in the world because their owners mimic his techniques, even though the show says "don't try this at home."

BTW we solved the issue you describe by only allowing it when we invite it. I say "hugs" and slap my stomach, and the dog can jump up and hug us. Both our Goldens do this now but not when we don't invite it.
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I've gotta say, "The Dog Whisperer" is a guilty pleasure, but mostly because I enjoy watching different dog breeds, and seeing different dog behaviors. It seems like he subscribes to some version of dominance theory, which seems to me to be complete rubbish.

I was talking to someone this weekend who was talking about how his father used to be a very effective dog trainer (circa 1940s or 1950s), but he was awfully tough (and mean) on the dogs, and it was just more evidence to me that there are lots of ways to get dogs to do what you want them to do, but I'd rather get my dogs to do what I want them to do while still respecting them and treating them with dignity.
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our dogs in the past always obeyed because they loved us and that is not the kind of training the whisper teaches
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Caesar is a double edged sword. On one hand he brought dogs back into popular culture and made people realize that they needed to exercise their animals. On the other hand he began with very confrontational methods which I've noticed he's softened significantly as he became a better dog trainer.
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I hope you can reverse the damage done and spark his joyful spirit again. Golden Retrievers are not suited to the dominance methods at all, and you are right it can break their spirit.
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Buddy is a reformed jumper. He does slowly raise up to hug myself, brother, and parenty- Only us. He will just sigh and look at you then smile and repeat a few times.
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I wish i could break my dog spirit from jumping on people, he is two and a half, i think he jumps,because he gets nervous,or scared, i have not been able to do it.
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I like Ceaser. Different strokes for different dogs so to speak. However most the time he needs to train the owners (as most trainers do) on how to train their specific dogs.

I don't tolerate the jumping. Although Goldens are just being playful they are big and could easily knock someone off their feet and danger them.
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He has a line...something like "I rehabilitate dogs and train people." I think that, in the abstract, is very good. Getting across to people that it's not only the dogs that need training is step number one.

But like I mentioned earlier, there are lots of ways to get a dog to obey you. Choosing reasonable methods that respect the animal's dignity is the least we owe them.
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