Are points deducted for rolling over on one hip on a down stay?


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Grasslands Liberty Belle "Bella" CGC (5-7-2012)

Unless you have a crazily tolerant judge like I did as described earlier in the thread, you are allowed one shift in movement. Most people train their dogs to roll on their hip as they prepare for the down. The idea behind this is because they assume their dog will shift anyway and in theory the most damage will be the dog shifting back to the sphynx position. And in training it buys you time to correct the dog before he has a chance to get up (sit or stand). When you leave your dog in the sphynx position, they are much more likely to just pop up out of that stay before you have a chance to say or do anything to reinforce the stay.

^ Jacks was never able to roll on his hip. I believe it's his insecurity issues (he has to be absolutely relaxed before he rolls on a hip and tucks his paw). I tried putting training him to roll the hip, but I believe it came off to him like I was trying to pin him. So I went without - and sure enough he was my first dog to consistently pop up from stays. For the longest time I couldn't turn my back on him while walking away because he popped up that fast. Rolling on the hip would have bought me a little time to go in to correct....

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I guess I should train her to go down on one hip and other leg sticking out.. 'cause that is what eventually happens when she rolls on one hip.


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Had a REALLY bad day training this morning if Nugget missed screwing something up I don't know what it was. He again stole a Sheltys dumbell and darn near swallowed it, his fronts and finishes were awful he wouldn't do a go- out heeling and Fiq.8 were less than he is capable of doing so all in all lousy day we should have stayed home


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More heeling on the light line in the house, stays and a few fronts and finishes.

The heeling really seems to be coming together. The main issue has always been with Bella looking away. Carrying hot dog chunks in my mouth has helped quite a bit, but she still looks away too much. Tonight, I started off by taking two steps, halt, two more steps, halt, two more steps halt, etc. I probably did that 9 or 10 times...each time dropping a hot dog chunk from my mouth after the halt. This allowed me to keep her attention throughout the entire 5-10 minute heeling session.

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Grasslands Liberty Belle "Bella" CGC (5-7-2012)

We didn't really have time to do any training today except for a bit of heeling and marking. Apparently, Molly is going through a false pregnancy. The symptoms are not too severe and it doesn't seem to really be affecting her.. except she's lactating and nesting. She's been really clingy lately as well.

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Huh. Compared to Open practice, Utility class seems to be both UBER fast despite us really only working on articles and brainstorming the exercise the rest of the time.

I guess - we got there early, but the lights were out inside the facility. Turns out I could have just gone in, switched the lights on and played a little more with Bertie... but I didn't know that! I did get a little walking practice in with him. And really just playing with him out on the floor and keeping his attention only on me while we were out there.

Put him away when our instructor came in... and class started.

I asked about peanut butter making the weaning process a bit more complicated. She didn't feel that would be the case. She said that thought that cheese was a stronger smell than peanut butter. Not sure about that. <- Of course I hate the smell of peanut butter. Blech.

I told her we pretty much just worked on week 1 (metal articles, around the clock 1 at a time), but I quickly went to not going in with him and expecting the retrieve.

She approved of me reinforcing the metal articles - she saw what Jacks was doing last week when it came to balking about picking up the metal article. That and I knew he would retrieve the leather articles easily. She didn't approve of me backing off too quickly (vs being right there to catch the collar or be on the spot to correct the dog before he can abandon the retrieve or pick up the wrong article).

When we went out to practice articles - she recommended I skip ahead to week 2.

When I asked about Jacks problems as far as him getting bored by the time we get up to the top of the clock, she suggested putting more articles down on the mat if he can handle that.

I need to read up (class handout) on the following weeks and figure out our training plan. Instructor said to focus on 3 days per week before advancing. I'm embarrassed to say I mainly focused on only the first 3 weeks.

She said that she's never had a class complete the "weeks" by the end of the session, but she thinks that our group has a good chance of being the first.

We did treat toss sits - the idea behind that is to really train the dogs to stop forward motion when they sit - and ohm. This is something I can work on with both dogs. Jacks does do sits on command fairly well (that's not the part of go-outs that causes us problems), but this is a good refresher for both of us. And of course everything is new for Bertie.

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I was off work today and Jonah and I heeled a little in a parking lot. He looked really nice and even a bit flashy. I'm trying to teach him a new cue for watching me when we set up but I'm not sure if he's getting it. I am blowing out a breath with alot of loud exaggeration in the breath and the correct behavior is for him to look up and focus. I can't say he knows what I want yet but when I blow out and he is looking at me I reward him.
I have a private lesson on Sat. so I hope my new instructor sees improvement.......in me

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The heeling pretty much sucked today....lots of distractions in the house. That's OK! Tomorrow is another day......


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The last couple of days after training, I reward Bella by letting her chase me around in a circle! Through the kitchen, through the sunroom, through the dining room, and back to the kitchen. This goes on for a few minutes. She can't catch me because I have better traction on the hardwood floor and linoleum. Today, she figured out that all she has to do is turn around and run the other direction.......LOL. On a less slippery surface, I would be toast.

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