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Old 11-25-2009, 08:47 AM
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weakness in back end/neurologist

My poor Toby, like a lot of older goldens (he'll be 12 in Jan., and he's an oversized, although thin, golden) is having problems with his back legs.
Has anyone taken their senior golden with back end problems to a neurologist to see if there's anything else they can offer that the regular vet and chiropractor cannot?
If so, what were the results?
I want do everything possible for him, other than his back legs he feels great and plays like a youngster (once I help him up on the slippery tile floors!)
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:15 PM
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I dont have any answers for you but I hope that the neurologist can help Toby. My Beau's back end problems were caused from his seizures and the pheno. It is so hard to see them get old.
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Sorry, poor Toby. My Sam was over-sized, though thin, and had a progressive neurological condition that caused weakness is his back end also. He too had seizures and was on pheno but I was told the condition was neurological. I didn't take him to a neurologist after the Vet diagnosed him, as he was in pretty good condition, just the occasional toe drag. He also had arthritis in his hips, which is what I thought the toe dragging was a sign of. Sam also had a hoarseness/occasional cough which I was told was also a sign of the neurological condition which could lead to his throat becoming paralyzed. I thought about surgery for his throat by he was so old I didn't want to put him through that...and it was not a guaranteed fix. Sam lived for a year and half with his neuro condition without much progression at all, I used a harness on bad days but fortunately, they were few. When Sam did pass though, it was a from an ME which was caused by the neuro condition. One day he was fine and the next he was most obviously not, he could not walk straight and was very weak. I went immediately to the Vet who diagnosed pneumonia and chest xrays showed he also had a tumor in his chest...no outward signs of cancer or pain from this, Thank Goodness! He did not have any signs that something was going on. On Thursday he was great..he'd even been acting perkier in recent months...on Friday he was quiet and by Friday afternoon I knew something was wrong and took him to the Vet.


I hope this hasn't frightened you...just wanted to relay my experience with this condition. Sam had other issues going on too, seizures and the as yet undiagnosed tumor. Hugs to you and Toby.
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Thanks. Toby has a calcified disk in his lower spine, and I think it's causing the biggest part of his problems, which is why we go to the chiro.
He's been getting slowly weaker for over 2 years, so I don't really think that it's something progressive other than old age (fingers crossed).
If it will help him, I'd be glad to take him. But I don't want to throw money away for nothing, either.
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I am so sorry to hear Toby is having problems.

Really have no advice-just want you to know I care.

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Did a Google and came up with these:
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Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 for Causes of Weakness in Dog's Back Legs. (0.24 seconds)
Search ResultsMotion and Motor ProblemsMuscle mass on back legs and over her rear end seems to be diminishing (visual ... He suddenly experienced weakness in hind legs,difficulty raising himself on ... dog, they will sometimes cause significant weakness in the rear limbs. ...
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Ask the Veterinarian: Sudden Paralysis of Left Rear Leg, energetic ...Could it be a Disk or back problem that could also be causing this? and ... Another condition of small dogs, especially young ones, that will cause ... the dogs initially develop a weakness in the hind limbs that can look like lameness. ...
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Google Answers: Dog with hind leg problemsDec 9, 2005 ... Q: Dog with hind leg problems ( Answered 4 out of 5 stars ..... Taking the supplements with aspirin may cause problems in ... DM presents itself with waxing and waning of the following symptoms: *hindquarter weakness, ...
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WikiAnswers - What disease in dogs cause immobility in hind legsHind legs give out in dogs? Nerve damage in dogs hind legs? What are analogies for immobility? What causes weakness in hind legs of dogs? ...
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Back Pain, Leg Weakness Signs of Nerve-Related SyndromeThese tests are often necessary, since there are several other conditions which cause back pain and hind leg weakness in dogs, and these causes need to be ...
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I have no experience with Toby's exact problem but accupunture helped my Rowdy a lot ...
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It is hard seeing them fail even slightly, isn't it?

I guess my suggestion is if he's not on an anti inflam i.e. meticam or rimadyl or something of that order, that might would be an option. They are hard on their kidneys eventually, but at this point as long as it makes his quality of life better - what the hey! Also, I would suggest putting rugs down everywhere. When Duke had his knee surgery we started doing that and as he's gotten older (realizing that 8 really isn't that old, he does have some issues) I'm glad we kept them down. And, a very soft bed.

Other than those suggestions, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Acupuncture is also an option for more comfort. Good luck with your boy and I hope you find something or a combination of somethings that help.
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Barb, I also had Sam on aspirin. He tolerated aspirin much easier than he did the prescribed arthritis meds. I also massaged him daily. He LOVED having his muscles kneaded and it did seem to help with atrophy and weakness.
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Barb, I took Cody to a CSU neurologist at age ten, when he was dragging a bit and occasionally crossing his hind legs. He was diagnosed with degenerative myelopathy, which is an incurable neurological disease sort of like human MS. He was on lots of Vitamin E as a result, and he had a doggie wheelchair, but he never did become paralyzed. Since Toby isn't even 12 yet, I'd personally vote for a neuro visit, if for nothing else than to have the vet say "this is simply the progression of old age" and not something you have to fret about medically. Give the old boy a smooch from me, would you please? Here is a picture of my Cody's brother Toby at age sixteen.
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thanks for the replies everyone!
I'm thinking there's no harm (other than financial) in having him checked out.
My own neuromuscular specialist said that small doses of mestinon might help a dog with DM, on an experimental basis, so if that were the diagnosis then maybe we could see if it helped him.
Interestingly, fish oil has helped him more than anything else. He is on one rimadyl per day, which also helps.
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