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Exclamation New puppy barking/whining all night!

We picked up our first dog ever as a family this week on thursday, he's an 11 week old golden, absolutely beautiful and so sweet and mellow! We live in the country and our kids are homeschooled, I'm home all day, dh works from home- so this dog gets and will continue to get tons of attention and exercise. He is having a tough time at night, during the day he is very good, just hangs out with us, but at night I have to put him away cause I can't trust him unsupervised. He has a room at the bottom of the stairs with some toys, a blanket, food and water -but he is lonely. His first night he got to barking incessantly at 2 am so I took him out for a little walk to do his business and then my 7 yr old went down and slept on the floor with him and he didn't make a peep after that. He hates to be blocked in anywhere, he barks non stop. I tried putting him in the front foyer which is right in our main area and I blocked it off and he hated it. I can't put him in our bedroom as dh's allergies can't handle it and I really don't know what to do, I don't want ds moving to the basement long term to sleep with him, but if I put Sawyer in the ds' room he will mess on the floor or chew something. My friend's tell me I need to get a crate and let him "yelp it out". I got almost no sleep last night, he was barking all night long! He gets LOTS of exercise during the day. I realize it's only been 2 nights but I need to know what I should do to help him and us get some sleep!!

FWIW, he is eating Performatrin Ultra and he came from a farm where he was the last of the litter, his Mom and Dad on sight (I felt so guilty taking him away!! ).

Thanks for any help! I hate to hear the poor guy barking and whining but not sure what I should do. Is crate training reccomended? I grew up with some great dogs and we never crate trained any of them, so it seems strange to me....

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Yes, I would highly recommend getting a crate. Get a large crate as he will grow into it. In the beginning you can use a large box to block off half the crate. Most dogs learn to love their crates and it becomes their safe spot, their bed, their "den", etc.

When Cooper was brought home at 8.5 weeks of age he went into his crate at night. The breeder recommended placing a radio nearby with music on very softly. We also covered the wire crate with a blanket leaving just one end of the crate uncovered. Cooper did yip at least once per night for the first week and we got up, took him outside to potty and then he went right back into his crate. He got used to it. I also recall when it was time to vacuum and mop the floors we would put him into his crate and he hated it. He cried and yelped, etc. but we just ignored it, told him to lay down and eventually he learned. Be consistent, patient and try not to get too stressed out and hopefully your pup will learn to love his crate. Good luck.
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You'll find if they can see you from the crate they will settle better. Can you move the crate to the hall where he can see you while he sleeps? Keep the crate closed while he is sleeping. They will bark and cry etc. But they will stop after awhile. Don't give in to him.

You can make the crate feel more secure by placing a blanket over it, so only the front portion is open. this gives a cave feel and is more secure for them.

They bark because they know your going to come.

I bet if you move the crate...your pup will adjust faster.
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First...get a crate. Most puppies learn to like their crates and feel safe when inside (think 'den').

Since the crate can't be in your bedroom because of DH's allergies, how about putting the crate in your DS's room? Sawyer is already 11 weeks old, so he should be be able to go all night without a potty break. He'd hear your son's breathing and not feel alone.

Hank's crate has been in our bedroom since day 1 and it worked out very well. The first night or two when Hank cried I softly talked to him and he settled right down.
Years ago when we brought our last golden home our bedroom was too small for a crate so we put it in the kitchen...no one got any sleep for many nights!

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He's used to having his littermates to sleep with so this is normal and understandable. He will adjust eventually, you just have to practice some tough love.

The old tried and true hot water bottle in a towel and a ticking clock might help him not feel so alone.

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I second the above posts, get a crate! And you need to be patient. We went through about 2-3 weeks of Jack getting very upset in his crate. He would howl and carry on like someone was killing him, while spinning around on his back feet like a ballerina. But now he goes in on his own to take naps and sleeps . He knows it's his little bedroom.

From experience, do not respond every time your pup whine, cries or barks in the crate. If he's in his crate and is whining, take him outside to potty and bring him right back in. No playing or talking. If he whines again after that ignore him. He'll eventually learn that whining doesn't get the attention he wants and he'll stop. But if you keep responding every time he does it or if your son sleeps with him when he's whining a lot, he'll just keep doing it.

Good luck though, I know it's really hard to hear your pup crying but know it will get better!

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Your friend is absolutely correct. A crate will provide a much more secure feeling environment. Yes, he will most likely bark, whine, and carry on the first several times he is in there, but he will get used to it fairly quickly and will eventually grow to like his crate. Crates give dogs a den-like feeling, which makes them feel safe and secure. Being alone in a room is usually too much openness for a puppy. Definitely get a crate.
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Crates are great, and a necessity in most places. There are a ton of times when your pup may need to be crated throughout his life...and those times are already super stressful (vet , emergencies, travel, grooming, etc).

If a puppy makes more than a little noise...I do NOT EVER wait him out. Ignoring calls for help can create learned helplessness and could lead to separation distress or other behavior problems.

Train your puppy to go into the crate on his own. Leave super yummy snacks in the crate. Tie a toy in the crate so he can only chew/play with it while he's in there. Have him go in, close the door, feed a treat and let him out. Have him in a bit longer. If he shows distress, you are progressing too fast.

Kids and dogs should be supervised 100% of the time.

Enroll your puppy in a quality puppy class ASAP as well as a basic training class. Do it now. You only have 1 more week of the critical learning period...though it can often be stretched to 16w of age. He needs to experience a ton of things before then and those experiences should be positive (not just neutral!).

Practice puppy quiet times throughout the day, not just at night.
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Get a crate. Payton cried and barked the first few nights when we had the crate out in the living room. We moved it to our bedroom and she was much better. She just wanted to be near us. I agree with the previous post, if you can put the crate where they can see you it will be better.

I was ready to send Payton back after 2 days, but I'm so glad I didn't. Don't give up.

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If a puppy makes more than a little noise...I do NOT EVER wait him out. Ignoring calls for help can create learned helplessness and could lead to separation distress or other behavior problems.

Train your puppy to go into the crate on his own. Leave super yummy snacks in the crate. Tie a toy in the crate so he can only chew/play with it while he's in there. Have him go in, close the door, feed a treat and let him out. Have him in a bit longer. If he shows distress, you are progressing too fast.
I agree with the others about the value of crate training... and helping your pup feel safe and sleep through the night (with potty breaks, of course)

To RedDogs... I had always read to let them "cry it out" because you don't want them to learn that making a fuss will get them let out. Because then next time they'll just learn they should cry even more to get out...?

So, what do you do then about crating at night (or other times of necessity) if you take them out of the crate when they cry too much (in agitation/stress)? We practiced the way you describe... giving short crating during the day and building up, treating, etc... but, Oscar still cried a lot in his crate when he was younger. He did cry at night for the first little while, but honestly we just tried to make sure he was as tired as possible so he fell asleep... or waited until he was asleep before putting him in there! He's fine now, but I hate to think we stressed him out unnecessarily... but... sometimes he did need to be in the crate, even if he protested (i.e., at night). Just wondering how you get around that?
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