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11-wk puppy distracted during potty time

Hi everyone!

Trudy has been doing fairly well with potty training over the past 3 weeks since we got her (she is 11 weeks old today). She's had only one accident in the crate (totally our fault). And only three times pooping inside since we've had her. BUT, we are still having trouble with her peeing in the house.

During her 8th and 9th weeks, she learned pretty quickly what we meant when we told her to "go potty!" outside. We heaped praise on her, and she seemed eager to please. Gradually, we took away the treats, but still continue to praise her for doing her business outside. When we are home, we like to have her out of her crate to interact with us, but we limit her access to the kitchen, and sometimes dining room + living room. We take her out pretty regularly (to the point of me setting alarms. I will take her out every half hour, or as soon as she wakes from a nap.)

Starting halfway through her 10th week, though, she's been getting more and more distracted when we go outside. Before, it seemed like she didn't notice too much beyond what was immediately in front of her. But now she sees everything - every bird, bee, every car with a load engine that drives by (I live in an urban area), the neighbors' dog a few doors down, the neighbor kids... you get the idea. What this means is that it seems like she gets too distracted to do her business and, even though I stay out there with her for a while (or just leave her out there), she is more likely to "forget" to pee and then do it once she comes in.

Is this normal? Should I be doing something differently? So far, we've only had 2 accident-free days (not in a row.) I feel like we should have had more than that at this point. Some days she'll have just one accident. But today, I've lost count. Having her pee inside as soon as she's come in from a long time outside is pretty frustrating, especially when I know that she gets that "outside" is where that happens.

Help! (and thank you in advance for your advice and encouragement.)
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House training comes with practice and consistently rewarding for success! Leaving her outside on her own doesn't help the house training process, you won't know if she actually did anything, nor will you be there to reward her for getting it right. We can sometimes think they 'know' but the reality is that if they are not reliably performing the behavior they don't 'really' know, and we need to continue with practice and reward.
Peeing shortly after coming inside, may be a result of 'forgetting' but it may also be caused by a urinary tract infection. If she is peeing more often than usual, or perhaps squatting as if she is peeing and little or nothing results, it wouldn't hurt to get her checked by a vet.
Puppies, like children, mature at different rates, physical maturity plays a role in the house training process, they learn to control their peeing and pooping over time and with practice. Be patient, be consistent, and she will get it in time.


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Leaving her outside on her own doesn't help the house training process, you won't know if she actually did anything, nor will you be there to reward her for getting it right.
To clarify, I very seldom leave her out there on her own, because I know it's important to see when she's actually going vs not. Sometimes, though, I may have something on the stove (or just have to "go potty!" myself!!) and I don't have much of a choice. When I do put her out on her own, it's typically after I've already been out there with her for a bit, but she hasn't gone yet because she's been distracted with other things. That point was unclear in my original post, and I wanted to make sure I clarified it because you brought up an important point.

Thanks for the bit about the UTI - I'd thought about that, but then wondered if she would still be able to hold it in her crate? I'd assumed that if she had a UTI, she would have a harder time in her crate, but she seems ok there. At night she is there for about 5 hours before we take her out (and even then I usually have to wake her, never the other way around).
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Sounds like you are doing a wonderful job!!

Just a tip: Don't wake her up, she will let you know when she needs to go. Long term you want her to be sleeping through the night, you don't want to risk inadvertently teaching her that a night time pee break is how it is 'supposed' to work.

The body processes slow down when they sleep, so they are not producing as much urine, so yes it is possible for her to have a uti, and still be able to sleep a good part of the night.

If you suspect she may have a uti, make sure she has access to water, all the time, during the daytime, sometimes they will drink more water, and it helps in 'flushing' the system.


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Potty training.

Puppy goes out on leash. Take high value rewards. (some suggest this reward only be used for the potty training) Take the pup to a designated potty spot. Wait two to three minutes. If the pup goes potty reward and give praise. If the pup does not take the pup back and put in the crate for 5 to 10 minutes and repeat. You may need to repeat this until the pup gets the idea. They catch on fairly fast. The pup gets supervised freedom when you know your pup has eliminated.

With young pups they need to go out after eating/drinking, playing, napping and about every 30 minutes when out of the crate. Slowly extending the time to 40 minutes, 50 minutes etc.

It takes time for the pups insides to develope fully. When they have to go they have to go. This usually happens by the time they are 6 months.
With so much repetition they start to understand the potty rules but until they are fully developed it is up to us the adults to make sure they go as often as needed to ensure they don't have these accidents.

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Potty training.

Puppy goes out on leash. Take high value rewards. (some suggest this reward only be used for the potty training) Take the pup to a designated potty spot. Wait two to three minutes. If the pup goes potty reward and give praise. If the pup does not take the pup back and put in the crate for 5 to 10 minutes and repeat. You may need to repeat this until the pup gets the idea. They catch on fairly fast. The pup gets supervised freedom when you know your pup has eliminated.

With young pups they need to go out after eating/drinking, playing, napping and about every 30 minutes when out of the crate. Slowly extending the time to 40 minutes, 50 minutes etc.

It takes time for the pups insides to develope fully. When they have to go they have to go. This usually happens by the time they are 6 months.
With so much repetition they start to understand the potty rules but until they are fully developed it is up to us the adults to make sure they go as often as needed to ensure they don't have these accidents.
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I would add, when you take her out on a leash, stand still, like a tree. She is out there to potty. Once she potties, then she can have her reward and do what she wants to do -- check out bugs or leaves or whatever. She will learn eventually that job 1 is to potty. And, it takes time. I'd do this until she is around six months old. Trust me, you want a dog that A. potties on leash, B. potties on command, and C. isn't dawdling while it's pouring rain/snow/sleet/hale or you need to be somewhere!

Your puppy is an infant at 11 weeks and just because you had some good weeks does not mean she is trained. Even if it is more than luck and she has an idea of what to do, it needs to be reinforced and she needs to be physically able to do what you want, and right now she is not.
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The leash was really helpful advice. It's been just a day that I've implemented it, but it seems to be helping us. Thank you!
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Puppies will get distracted. As they get a little older (week wise) like kids, they notice more, more grabs their attention. It has been 18 years since I last had a puppy--and I had litter mates, Hunter and KayCee. I know most say do everything separately with them, but I didn't. I walked them together until they were a few months old. He was far more inquisitive then she was. He had to investigate every thing from a rock on the sidewalk, a twig in a yard, watch a brid in a tree, watch a squirrel running along a power line. She was happy to just plod along next to me. Oh, they did learn not to criss cross and get leashes tangled.

One thing that really helped with the potty training was having a 5 year old golden and they would go out with him. Very few accidents in the house. I have never had a crate--they slept in an old mesh play pen next to the bed, and when they got big enough to climg out, I put a sheet of ply wood over it at night. Then they got big enough to stay out--and in bed with me--us when hubby was home (crops country trucker for 42 years). By the way, this was the 2ed set of litter mates I had--the first was English Setters back in late 50's and my dad and I trained them for quail dogs; Yep, I am an old geezer.

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My outside policy for puppies has always been pretty much: no fun outside until (at least mostly) housebroken. I always take them out on leash and don't play with them or let them explore too much until they do what they're supposed to. Also, I have bells at the door that we ring (together at first) before we go out for potty. My last puppy was ringing them himself at 10 weeks. Of course, he still had some accidents, but he was getting the idea quickly. I love the bells for signaling they want to go out!

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I'm struggling with the same issues. My 11 week old puppy has only had a couple poop accidents inside, but many more pee issues, It sounds like we are doing about the same things. I take her out on a leash shortly after eating and after playing, etc. She will pee and/or poop, get treats, come inside, and then she will squat again. Somebody suggested that she might have a UTI, so I took her to the vet yesterday. Nope....she is fine. The vet did suggest that I was maybe feeding her a little too much and suggested that I reduce it to around 1 cup per day. He also said to make sure I treat just as she does her business and not wait to come inside or anything He said I should be able to potty train in a weekend if I do it right....that made me feel like a failure, because I've tried to do things right and 3 weeks in it seems like we are having more accidents then i should. So....I've cut back on the food and trying to watch her more and take her out more frequently. I'm working on being ready with the treats just at the right time. I think things are going a little better. Maybe this advice will help you too. Good Luck!
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