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Oh such an interesting mix of breeds. I can tell you as someone that is owned and whose life currently revolves around my one year old Aussie some puppies take way more work then others! You got some great suggestions especially the night/evening time out in the crate. Blitz (my Aussie) needs this sometimes he just can't self settle (way better now) and we often pull out thinking games the wobble board, tetter board in the evenings. I keep those boards outside stored and bring them in and use them and put them back out. You don't need a lot of room to do them trust me my house is really small. The whole family is often entertained by what we do with them. We work on tricks or whatever works the brain in the evening, for him that is what we have to do tire out his brain.


You can also do what my rally trainer calls sit to please. On leash the puppy is in front of you, you step back lure with treats and the word come, stop pull your hands up quickly toward your face saying sit. You want them sitting just at your toes, Usually when their head goes up bum goes down. You can gently help them find sit or move the treat out over the head to get the bum down. Say yes really happy and treat be quick. Keep stepping back one or two steps stop and get the sit treat. I do this for about 5-10 minutes at a time at that age several times a day Its a great way to feed their dinner. Your teaching them when you move they move you stop they stop and you want a sit And they are learning come means come to you. Encourage them to look up at your face (giving you attention)

As they get older I start moving faster turning corners, running back ward a few steps more advanced I start side stepping they have to stay face first in to me as we side step. This really works to teach them how to heal when your walking as they are already learning they stop when you do sit when you stop, move when you do. Even my 4 year old dog really improved doing this I have a small house but I still do this inside. Play crate games someone posted a few videos here in another thread. Teach scent games. Make the training fun for both you and the puppy. Get your son involved.


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Thanks so much, I know I need to improve the environment a bit (though he doesn't just roam the whole house...we have a open living room/kitchen area, which is our main space, we barricade the hallway to the bathroom/bedrooms and close the basement door).

I've had 6 dogs from puppies on up and don't remember ANYthing like this! I think 18yo realizes that his morning routine must change, and I will have the other 2 (10 and almost 16) do more exercise right when they get home from school if it isn't too cold. These below zero days are the worst.

The "witching hour" I can predict! I think we'll start using the crate more. He whines if he sees us, so that deters us from using it (unless we want to disappear to the bedrooms).

I guess I have my work cut out for me, I really appreciate you guys!
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Oh such an interesting mix of breeds. I can tell you as someone that is owned and whose life currently revolves around my one year old Aussie some puppies take way more work then others! You got some great suggestions especially the night/evening time out in the crate. Blitz (my Aussie) needs this sometimes he just can't self settle (way better now) and we often pull out thinking games the wobble board, tetter board in the evenings. I keep those boards outside stored and bring them in and use them and put them back out. You don't need a lot of room to do them trust me my house is really small. The whole family is often entertained by what we do with them. We work on tricks or whatever works the brain in the evening, for him that is what we have to do tire out his brain.


You can also do what my rally trainer calls sit to please. On leash the puppy is in front of you, you step back lure with treats and the word come, stop pull your hands up quickly toward your face saying sit. You want them sitting just at your toes, Usually when their head goes up bum goes down. You can gently help them find sit or move the treat out over the head to get the bum down. Say yes really happy and treat be quick. Keep stepping back one or two steps stop and get the sit treat. I do this for about 5-10 minutes at a time at that age several times a day Its a great way to feed their dinner. Your teaching them when you move they move you stop they stop and you want a sit And they are learning come means come to you. Encourage them to look up at your face (giving you attention)

As they get older I start moving faster turning corners, running back ward a few steps more advanced I start side stepping they have to stay face first in to me as we side step. This really works to teach them how to heal when your walking as they are already learning they stop when you do sit when you stop, move when you do. Even my 4 year old dog really improved doing this I have a small house but I still do this inside. Play crate games someone posted a few videos here in another thread. Teach scent games. Make the training fun for both you and the puppy. Get your son involved.

Great ideas, thank you! Yes, 10yo will love to do some of these exercises that will be more game than work
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Here are 2 pics of Apollo! Found out last night he is scared of thunder (which is ironic, because his name was "Thunder" before we got him, lol). Also ironic because I wanted a dog to help my 10yo with his anxiety, which is triggered by...you guessed it...thunderstorms.

My 18yo kept him out and busy all day (he got a nap at grandma's house) and no crate time, boy was he exhausted when I got home from work. We crated him when he started acting up and looking for things to get into (10 minutes) he calmed right down and slept a bit after he got out. It was a better evening. I'm going to try and focus on the positive and not worry so much about how he's going to "turn out." Thanks for all your advice and help!

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You have gotten excellent advice from everyone here. This REALLY is normal - and a baby puppy is not what an adult dog is. They are discovering new things everyday and just like babies, they need to be watched every second.

First off - do yourself a favour and puppy-proof the area where he is allowed to be out. That should be an area where you can constantly watch him. If he can't be watched, for even a minute, he should be in the crate. Use baby gates and x-pens. Lift rugs, no shoes on the floor, no tea towels hanging, maybe the toilet paper is off the holder and on the vanity, no waste paper baskets he can get into, no TV clicker, no magazines, nothing. Yes, it's a pain for a few months, but if your pup doesn't learn to steal and chew, he won't steal and chew as an adult.

This will make life easier. Then... you need to teach him how to be a good dog. Again, just like kids. They need to be taught right from wrong, so do puppies. With patience and consistency.

I agree - structure is everything for a puppy. It gives them security, and they begin to learn what is expected of them. For sure, get that poor guy outside. He needs to see the world, play in snow, etc. He will not be too cold. Dress well, get your kids to dress well, and head out with him. You will find out it is SO fun.

Finally, puppy training is a lot of work. Sort of 24-7, for about a year. At one point when my dog was about 5 months old, I felt like our walks were just exercises in me saying "drop it, leave it, leave it, drop it." I would treat, I would pull stuff out of her mouth, treat... it was constant. But it pays off. All of this pays off. Really.

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Here are 2 pics of Apollo! Found out last night he is scared of thunder (which is ironic, because his name was "Thunder" before we got him, lol). Also ironic because I wanted a dog to help my 10yo with his anxiety, which is triggered by...you guessed it...thunderstorms.

My 18yo kept him out and busy all day (he got a nap at grandma's house) and no crate time, boy was he exhausted when I got home from work. We crated him when he started acting up and looking for things to get into (10 minutes) he calmed right down and slept a bit after he got out. It was a better evening. I'm going to try and focus on the positive and not worry so much about how he's going to "turn out." Thanks for all your advice and help!
I love his photos! What a cutie! He looks like a black Golden. Thank you so much for giving us feedback and letting us know how he is doing. We learn a little more with every new person who presents a problem and tries things and then reports back what is going on.

Life is full of irony, Thunderstorms being a fear for both of your babies is unbelievable. I hope you will do a little research on things you can do to help him overcome this. Rescue Remedy is one of the things I remember some people having success with. What did your son say about the dog being afraid? He might have some good observations.

I hope you will consider sweetgirl's comments about making Apollo's world smaller (an ex pen stretched between rooms can work in an open space, that's what we do at my house between kitchen and family room) it really would help him focus on toys and things he is allowed to play with rather than 'looking for things to get into.' The idea with good puppy management is to set them up for success and try to stay a step ahead just as you would with a toddler. We really want things to get easier for you and for him.


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You have an absolute 100% normal Golden Retriever puppy. (Oh, wait, I just saw the photos, and he doesn't look like he's a Golden?) And he sounds like he's doing great at his training. It does sound like your family could use more training, though.

You're expecting too much from a different species toddler who doesn't speak English and is living in a human world. Instead of worrying and being exhausted, you should (1) adjust your expectations to meet the reality that you have a toddler alien living in your house, and (2) devise strategies to protect your stuff and set the puppy up for success, then train your husband and 18yo to follow the strategies 100% of the time, whether they want to or not. You know, kind of like what you're expecting from this four-legged baby in your house -- and why you expect your puppy to behave more reliably than your human family members will is beyond me, LOL! .

I always just set my expectations to expect to lose furniture, socks and shoes when I have a puppy, and count it as a blessing if my stuff survives intact. That way I take "bad" behavior in stride, and feel grateful for my little demon.

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You have received lots of good advice which I'm sure can help.
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I do not know how people do this...The 5 of us are having issues keeping a 3 month old puppy busy!
I spent months exhausted, worried, running back and forwards from work, no free time, stresssed when pup wouldn't pee etc when needed, scraped, bruised, in tears, questioning my actions,.... but also excited, proud, happy, laughing, fun, meeting new people, learning new skills, puppy cuddles, classes etc
With time and effort the first part fades from memory and the second part dominates.
I was doing this alone so when I exhausted I wished there were more people who could take a turn standing in the cold garden at midnight. Now I think you have a harder job! I had the advantage of everything being very consistent and calm for my pup.
It you can work on a schedule that fits your pup I'm sure things can improve. Hang in there! Wishing you all the best with your little guy.
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He's half golden... It's funny, 5 siblings look like a typical golden, 2 look like Aussies, and 2 are black.
He is already doing better, though it's hard to fold clothes with him around. Everything's a big game. He's doing excellently with giving up items, at least to me. He leaves whatever it is and gets ready for a treat. With the others he's a bit more stubborn. He wants the treat, but tries to keep the item too.

I can tell he is trying to stop nipping, too. It's just hard to do!

I'm going to spend the day Decluttering and hopefully that will help. Well, after my nap. 5am is not a good wakeup for me, but that's another thread.
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100% normal puppy! Yes, Seamus went through the same thing at that age. Still does from time to time. I would suggest a crate or an exercise pen. When we gets crazy do not yell, just pick him up and put him in either his crate or his exercise pen until he calms down.



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