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Ky's visit to the NH

*I decided to put this here because Bentley will be mentioned periodically too.*

So, today was the big day. I left Bentley home (broken hearted) and I took Ky to visit the nursing home this AM.
If you're lost and didn't see my other threads, I'm going to work on Ky getting her TDI. If you don't know Ky's background you can read that here. http://www.goldenretrieverforum.com/...ackground.html (Ky's Background)

Ky has only been to the NH once before, soon after my Ma moved there she asked me to bring Ky. That didn't go well because nobody knew me back then and nobody trusted an Akita. As we walked down the halls people disappeared into rooms.
Ky visited with Ma that day but then I explained that Ky couldn't come back because people were afraid of her. I'm very protective of her feelings and I don't like to see people act that way around her.

Since I go to the NH every morning with Bentley and they are all my friends now I decided to take Ky so I can see what areas we need to work on for the TDI.
Ky did great. She was calm and relaxed, greeted people nicely. Sat calmly beside me while I visited. After about 10 minutes she started doing some visiting too. She would stand next to someone and just wait to see if they would pet her, they did . They were disappointed because they always save an apple from the night before to treat Bentley with but Ky hates apples

So, I found two problem areas. One I think can be fixed, the other might be a deal breaker.

First problem:
She was fine with wheelchairs, walkers, lifts ect. Didn't even bat an eye. But as we were walking in the hallway there was a man (Eddy) walking with two cane/crutches things. The kind that go up to mid arm but they hold like a cane.
Ky was terrified of him. I knew it wasn't the man because she was fine with him in the great room. I decided to get her used to the canes the same way I taught her everything else. We just kept walking back and forth near Eddy as I recited poetry to her. Yes, I do know how stupid that sounds but I was on my own when I got her and had to find a way to train her. When we do something scary I recite poetry to her as we walk by it (Keats is a favorite) this keeps my mind busy so that I don't appear to Ky to be uptight and she knows I'm talking to her and I'm calm. We've gotten over many issues like this.
At one point Eddy sat down with his canes in his lap and we approached him. Ky was shaking she was so scared. We backed off for today but I think if we work on it we can fix this problem.

Second problem:
I tried to leave her with a stranger for 3 minutes. Disaster! We are a team and if we're off my property she is always on lead and the lead is always in my hand. I never leave her side in public, ever. I think I've failed her in this dept.
Chris held the lead and I walked out, I went to the next room where I could peek through the window but she couldn't see me. I immediately knew she was stressed. Then she raised her head and began her pitiful howl. She didn't break the sit but it was pathetic to watch. After only one minute I gave up and went back to her. She acted like I had abandoned her and cried, tried to get on my lap, I felt horrible.
I'm not sure I can fix this problem. I don't even have any idea how I would go about trying.

They loved her at the NH so I'm going to alternate Bentley and Ky everyday. It will be a shame if Ky can't get her TDI because she would be good at it but I just don't see a way to get her to stay with a stranger for 3 minutes. We'll keep working on it. Even if she can't get certified at least she'll be able to go see her new friends so I call it a win.
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I think it's so admirable to you brought Ky back to the NH! Concerning the 2 "problems", it sounds like she needs, at a bare minimum, some practice. I don't know anything about training for this type of work, but maybe a specialized trainer can offer suggestions on those 2 issues.

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Buddy was the same way at first about being left. Just work in tiny steps. Leave for 10 seconds than work up from there in public.

It took months before Buddy would left me pee without and audience at home!

Maybe she was previously abused with sticks and canes look like them to her. I am sure you will get her through both issues.


Just as an FYI treats are not allowed at part of TDI unless you are giving them yourself as part of a demonstration- Which I doubt will be a problem for Ky.

When I took Buddy for his 1st visit everyone had treats from him. They were all heartbroken including Buddy when I said he could not have any from them. I did have him do some tricks and gave him the treats myself

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Buddy was the same way at first about being left. Just work in tiny steps. Leave for 10 seconds than work up from there in public.

It took months before Buddy would left me pee without and audience at home!

Maybe she was previously abused with sticks and canes look like them to her. I am sure you will get her through both issues.


Just as an FYI treats are not allowed at part of TDI unless you are giving them yourself as part of a demonstration- Which I doubt will be a problem for Ky.

When I took Buddy for his 1st visit everyone had treats from him. They were all heartbroken including Buddy when I said he could not have any from them. I did have him do some tricks and gave him the treats myself
Thanks, that's good to know! During the test am I allowed to speak to Ky?
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Both areas seem like they're within reach Joyce. I'm wondering if the man with the crutches might not have brought back some unpleasant memories from her rough start in this world?

And the three minute separation anxiety might be solved with treats, other than apples, to distract Ky.

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Thanks, that's good to know! During the test am I allowed to speak to Ky?
Yup you can talk to her as much as you want Just no food.

The CGC and TDI testing are pretty much the same thing.

Buddy got tested off for TDI with small dogs in his group- Bonus for him since he lives with yorkies he knows to not even bother with "little ones" even if they bark at him he ignores and continues walking.

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Both areas seem like they're within reach Joyce. I'm wondering if the man with the crutches might not have brought back some unpleasant memories from her rough start in this world?
My thoughts exactly. Great minds think alike.

And the three minute separation anxiety might be solved with treats, other than apples, to distract Ky.

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You can use as many treats as you want for training purposes just not testing and TDI visits. I never used treats with Buddy for his CGC or TDI training since I knew during visits he would not really be allowed to get them. He can get bossy/vocal when it comes to his food. Almost like "Mom- I am doing everything you ask- Can't you give a man a Bone!"

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You might be able to get a used cane cheap/free from Craigslist so you can desensitive her at home to canes.

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Treats won't be a problem for Ky because I don't use treats to train her like I did with Bentley. All she needs is a "atta girl" and an ear rub and she's good.
We have a cane here that DH used after hip surgery. She never acted afraid of it, in fact she would walk right beside him when he was using the cane.
There was a woman at the NH using a regular cane today that didn't bother Ky. It just seemed to be the double canes with the leather straps that go around his arms that scared her.
Maybe it is Eddy that brings up bad memories and scares her but when he was sitting in with the whole group Ky didn't react, only when he got up and walked with his canes.
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I don't know if this would help or not, but I bought these dowels at Home Depot for a few dollars. My intention was to use them to line up her fronts, but she was initially afraid of them. For the past few days, I have used them as distractions for stays. For example, for a stand stay, I run one across her back, and lightly touch various parts of her body. At first, she was fine with one stick, but 2 was too much. The next day she was no longer afraid of them.

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