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Old 01-02-2013, 02:22 PM
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Totally agree with you on BB, I had my two adults on it, had to take them off of it due to stomach issues. Switched to Purina Pro Plan, problem was resolved immediately. My Vet said BB is too rich for many dogs, it certainly was for my guys.
I think I might go that path, try a new food first as its not like its going to give her worse diarrhea. Now I am doing blue wilderness which is different from blue buffalo , I know it's the same company but different diet a lot if natural ingredients. I will have to look into what types of pro plan there is. Again thanks for all the advice. I am just trying to worry about our pup and deal with the rest later.


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I think it is fair to ask the breeder to cover what the insurance would have covered if it is truly her fault. So if it was $200 and the insurance would have been a $100 and then 80%, the breeder should cover $80.

I know that it is frustrating, but in my experience even beyond the big emergency stuff, little health issues pop up ALL the time during dog ownership. In my experience $200 sounds pretty average for an issue like this so I wouldn't be too surprised if I were you - especially with puppies. I have spend $200 here and there for little things that pop up - diarrhea, itchy skin, colds, eye infections, ear infections, etc etc countless times. I don't mean to scare you, but you seem to be concerned over the bill and I just wanted to reassure you that this is normal and it is just all a part of getting a new puppy!
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I think it is fair to ask the breeder to cover what the insurance would have covered if it is truly her fault. So if it was $200 and the insurance would have been a $100 and then 80%, the breeder should cover $80.

I know that it is frustrating, but in my experience even beyond the big emergency stuff, little health issues pop up ALL the time during dog ownership. In my experience $200 sounds pretty average for an issue like this so I wouldn't be too surprised if I were you - especially with puppies. I have spend $200 here and there for little things that pop up - diarrhea, itchy skin, colds, eye infections, ear infections, etc etc countless times. I don't mean to scare you, but you seem to be concerned over the bill and I just wanted to reassure you that this is normal and it is just all a part of getting a new puppy!
Thanks I understand its a small amount but there is now another 200 for testing and then another dose of meds as its a two dose treatment so another 25 then depending what the tests say if we need other meds etc I am just thinking it may get costly in the near future. I'm not including the other costs of regular care which is on top of that price.

It's actually not about the amount really its the fact that I was wanting to get insurance and told not to and now I am without. I also wasn't worried having all these tests and meds etc knowing that it was covered and the disappointment when I discovered we weren't. I just hope there is no problem obtaining some.

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Sorry to hear you having these problems, when you should just be settling in with your new baby & enjoying her, & must be miserable for baby too. Chronic diarrhoea is horrid to live with & puppies get dehydrated so easily, so removing water overnight if crate-training, as most people tend to do, may well prove dangerous for such a young pup with this issue. Also, she will find it hard to hold weight on. Is she continuing to have diarrhoea whilst on the bland diet of only cooked rice & boiled chicken? ( no kibble at all whilst on that diet & then gradually introduced back into her diet when problem clears up).

My puppy had a stomach upset when he was 13 weeks old & was put onto that bland diet, with cottage cheese mixed in, plus special canned gastrointestinal food from vet, plus antibiotics & another medication to sooth tummy. He remained on the bland diet for around six days & loved it, & then I slowly reintroduced his usual kibble. If it was me, I would put your baby back onto a bland diet with no kibble at all, plus medication from vet, & keep her on that diet to see if her stools start to improve. If they do begin to improve, keep on bland diet for a few more days, as you want the inflamed bowel to have a chance to settle completely down. And then Very slowly start to introduce your new kibble ....just a few kibble into bland diet at a time & keep close eye on stools.

By putting her onto new kibble when she already has diarrhoea, you will just add to the irritation of the bowel lining, & it will become a chronic issue which may take a long time to clear up. With any puppy, new kibble has to be introduced very gradually, even if puppy is healthy. With a puppy who already has diarrhoea, you need to be even more careful.

I have my puppy on Pro-Plan for Puppies, plus Eukanuba for large breed puppies ...he has a mix of the two. First sign of soft or loose stools, he immediately goes onto bland diet until clears up. He is 5.5 months old now & we have spent a bit on vet bills ......around $150 for treatment of his tummy upset at 13 weeks old, & $138 on treatment for recent Hotspot, which appeared to be resolved last week, but has now flared up again, so back to vet tomorrow for more treatment on that. We don't have insurance cover, as it is very expensive over here in NZ. Puppies don't come cheap, that's for sure. I hope your baby comes right soon.
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We only give her blue wilderness for food and even treats , no raw hide and an antler for chewing As for the insurance not covering it all , I understand that , I think 100 deductible and then 80 percent but that's not what I am getting at , it's the fact that I was in the understanding that I had it as I was getting her care, and the fact that I was going to get it either way and now I may not even be able to get insurance. I am sure the vet bills are going to rack up if we can't find out why she is having these problems


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I was going to ask what kind of food you are feeding her. There are a lot of puppies that can not tolerate Blue Buffalo dog food and get diarrhea from it. I would change her to something else, maybe something not quite so "designer" type. BB seems to be too rich for a large number of puppies.
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I would put her on a chicken and rice diet for a few days after fasting for 24 hours if your haven't yet. I wouldn't choose blue buffalo or blue wildneress to go back to- that can be way too rich. Pick a different food.
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Totally agree with you on BB, I had my two adults on it, had to take them off of it due to stomach issues. Switched to Purina Pro Plan, problem was resolved immediately. My Vet said BB is too rich for many dogs, it certainly was for my guys.
Of course I decide to change her food and she has the perfect poop, this is the norm though she will have a bout of great poops but mostly watery yucky ones. If I do change her I will be sure to do it gradual. I get too overwhelmed with all of the selection. What seems to be a good choice? I choose blue wilderness because it had no grains no added preservatives etc it seemed very natural. It was such a hard choice last time I am lost as to what to do.


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What you need to find out is if your breeder activated your puppy's coverage when you picked it up. The insurance is offered through the CKC and Petsecure and all your breeder has to do is sign up and activate each puppy. If she is indeed signed up, and forgot to activate, then she should be responsible up to the amount the insurance would have covered. I would call the CKC and see if she is signed up for this program.

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What seems to be a good choice? I choose blue wilderness because it had no grains no added preservatives etc it seemed very natural. It was such a hard choice last time I am lost as to what to do.
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I am not sure where in Canada you are. We are in Ontario, and my vet has started using Tylan when metronidazole does not work.

Blue Wilderness, is a very rich food, and I tried it years ago with my old golden, and it lead to the diarrhea in her too. My 2 goldens are on Nutro Ultra LBP, but there are many forum dogs on here that eat Purina Pro Plan, another food is Simply Nourish which is exclusive to Petsmart, which has minimal extra ingredients.

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Of course I decide to change her food and she has the perfect poop, this is the norm though she will have a bout of great poops but mostly watery yucky ones. If I do change her I will be sure to do it gradual. I get too overwhelmed with all of the selection. What seems to be a good choice? I choose blue wilderness because it had no grains no added preservatives etc it seemed very natural. It was such a hard choice last time I am lost as to what to do.


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What food was the breeder feeding her? If she was doing well on the breeders food you might consider going back to that.
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