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Old 12-18-2012, 11:38 PM
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YES, I set her up. Nothing on the counter belongs to her and she only has a right to what belongs to her.
OMG we totally did the same thing when Chaya decided to explore our counters. We put one of her favorite bones up there, tied it to a set of metal measuring cups, and when she pull the bone down, it all came clanging down on her (they're really light but really loud). She never did it again, even when we tried to ambush her later with other goodies
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YES, I set her up. Nothing on the counter belongs to her and she only has a right to what belongs to her.

EXACTLY! Just like children they are not entitled to everything!
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You know... there are two answers to this.

1. If you are right there and your dog does something inappropriate in front of you - correct. A "no leave it" usually does the job. And I would physically go up and firmly pull the dog away from whatever it is that he's bothering.

2. If you are going off somewhere and leaving the dog in the kitchen - or some other room - you need to puppy proof that room. Anticipate the dog jumping up and grabbing things. Don't leave anything in your dog's reach that you do not want him to have. <- A good example I have is our kitty litter with my Bertie. Our collie taught him how to mine for nuggets in the sawdust, so he will run up to check it out every chance he gets.

If I see him running for the litterbox, I tell him to leave it and generally that's it.

I would NEVER leave him alone in the same room as the litter box though.

When you leave things in the dog's reach - they are self-rewarding themselves for jumping on the counter or table or whatnot.

And you CAN'T punish your puppy after it's been done. Dogs do not contemplate on their actions. IF you come home and find a mess they made hours before, their perception is you are angry at them and they don't understand why.

Corrections, if you use them, have to be timed EXACTLY when the dog is doing something incorrect. Just like praise/rewards need to be timed EXACTLY when the dog is doing something right.
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Isla was eating my post. She would get excited by the sound and sight of the post man and run straight to the door. I fixed a box to the door to collect it, which was great. After a while she wasn't fussed by him any more so i got rid of the box and she was fine. I could never tell her off for it though becuase she never did it when i was around (I always got there first), so i'd come home to the mess.
However one day i got home and she'd ripped up a load of letters. As I was clearing it up she started to attack it again. I made it very clear she wasn't to do it and put her in the kitchen for a while.
She didn't do it again.
However, having moved house she's been great except last weekend she did it again. I can't afix a box to this one as the letterbox is really low. Im hoping it was just a blip . . .

So, in my experience Isla needs to be very clear how i feel about her behavoiur.

Btw, have you tried this? I've used it since isla was a baby and it's great. Most recently it's kept her away from the christmas tree. Scare's the crap outta her!

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You know, I most certainly do not live in a museum. The OP asked for appropriate punishment - the only appropriate punishment for a dog eating something is to discipline the adult humans for not preventing it - especially something like a wallet with money & credit cards.

With a current 4 dog (with a 4 month old puppy) household, my dogs are all trained to leave what is not theirs alone - but they are trained; not merely punished. I will actually sit on the floor with food and eat and wait for them to try to take it; and they are told NO when they do. They are trained for what is theirs to take versus what is mine and off limits.

If they do take something that is not put away - it is the humans fault. Either for leaving something the dog has not been trained to resist, or for not training their dog. You know dogs like white stuff, paper, socks, undies, shoes, food etc so why would you leave them somewhere to be destroyed - or if they are left about - why leave a pup free to get at them?

Good for you for bragging on punishing your dog in the name of training - you TUG on the skin under your dog's chin????????????? Just so we are clear - you are speaking of the skin under the chin and not the scruff of the neck?


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I have a bit of a different outlook on this issue then the first poster. I do not want live in a museum. My home is not messy but I do have things around especially around this time of year. Usually, when my dogs grab something they shouldn't I let out a very loud "NO, LEAVE IT". I return the item back to where it should be and wait t see if they try again. I grab the loose part under the chin and give it tug and repeat "LEAVE IT". LOL through the dogs I have had in my life I have been known to give a tap on the bum and I am not afraid to admit it. "Trainers" have got a little out of control with this "all positive reinforcement" stuff. Most of all be on your toes waiting to give the correction and be consistent. Also, more chewies and toys of his own. Dog need to be taught manners.
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Are dogs attracted to white stuff? I didn't know this.
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Oh yeah well retrievers seem to be. Have you ever been walking along in a park or parking lot or even a road and have you dog snag (or try to snag) a napkin or an envelope etc?

I never seemed to have the same thing with shepards, etc but every one of my goldens has shared a love of white things...
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She does it with plastic bags . . .
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LOL - oh they know when they do something they are not supposed to do. Monday night I had to take my DH to the ER. His stomach pill got stuck in his throat and it started coating his throat instead of his stomach. I closed the doors but he forgot to take the bottle of pills with him so he went back. Not only he left the bedroom door open but also the master bathroom door was open. After 4 hours we returned to see both his slippers, the socks that were initially left inside the slippers and an entire roll of toilet paper shredded all over the bedroom.
When we came home she did not come out to greet us as she normally does, she was under the bed, away from the "deed". When I exclaimed OH MY GOD!!!! she covered her nose with her paw. All my DH could say was "You cannot prove she did it!"
Interesting how that night she did not touch any of the shoes in the closet and there were plenty left there for her to indulge herself - when she was about three months old she got into the closet and chewed slightly the back of one of his shoes. Again he left the closet door open. He took the shoe and exclaimed DOG!!!! Rose came into the bedroom behind me watching my DH in amazement. Then the DH took the shoe, lifted it up in the air threw it in the closet and with the same voice tone exclaimed once again: IT IS ALL MY FAULT!
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"He has recently turned 10 months old and he is now obviously hit the terrible teen stage. He is counter surfing and chewing up all our papers and things we leave on the table/counters. Since we have never had this happen and since he is our first puppy, we do not know how to punish him for this"

Many owners end up in this position. At 10 months old many pups just do not have the reasoning skills to make the correct choice. The problem is giving the pup to much freedom before they are really ready.
Teaching a cue for leave it works really well if you are there but doesn't work very well if you aren't there. It is better to confine them in a safe space when you are not there. If anything is on the counter or table that the pup can get to while you are out it isn't a safe place. If you can not make the area safe use a crate.

Kikopup has a youtube video on how to solve counter surfing using an automatic (non cued) leave it.

The training isn't to be done when a dog actually makes a mistake. It should be set up and practiced in training mode. You don't just have to use food as the bait in the training you can use many other things. Such as a leather wallet, papers, mail, etc.

The big problem is we as owners think our dogs are ready for so much responsibility way before they are. As you said your pup didn't do this stuff when really little. Now that he is bigger (but still an immature pup) and has some alone time he is finding great (doggy) games that are inappropriate in our home. He has to be taught what you do want him to do.

I wouldn't punish the pup for chewing the wallet when I found him with it. I would call him to me or redirect him to do something else. Clean up the mess. And figure out a plan such as Kikopup's solving counter surfing video and before my dog really understands what I do expect him to do I would not set him up to fail by putting him in the position to make the wrong choices.
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