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Old 12-17-2012, 01:24 PM
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Update: we let Spike out of his crate for a couple hours yesterday evening. Either supervised time with us upstairs, or in an exercise pen downstairs while we were in the same room. We put him to bed in his crate at 10:00 PM and my wife woke up at 2:00 AM to let him outside. She had to wake him up! Prior to last night, he was walking us up to go outside 2 or 3 times nightly.

When my wife got up at 6:00 AM, she also had to wake him up to go outside. I got up around 6:10 and supervised him upstairs out of his crate until 7:00. Much of that time he just wanted to sit next to me and mouth at my legs and stuff. Then at 7:00 AM, he was confined to his crate so we could get ready for work and get the kids ready. There was no barking. There was no whining.

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I don't want to overwhelm you with dog training websites because others are giving you great advice and suggestions but if you have time you might check out this site Leerburg Dog Training | Articles. I have used some the things I learned from this website for our golden and it really was helpful. There are many different levels on the website. Sounds like you are getting some good results already.
There are also some tutoral videos that are free on this website. I like to be able to see things demonstrated for me.
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... We put him to bed in his crate at 10:00 PM and my wife woke up at 2:00 AM to let him outside. She had to wake him up! Prior to last night, he was walking us up to go outside 2 or 3 times nightly.

When my wife got up at 6:00 AM, she also had to wake him up to go outside.
13 weeks old pup should able to hold 6-7 hours at night without problem, just make sure he doesn't drink any water after 7pm. I also think you overuse the crate way too much. Why did you put him on a second floor? It would be easier for all, if the crate is downstairs. Do not restrain him from going upstairs, but don't help him either. Is it possible to take him with you (or your wife) at work? Can somebody sit with him while you're out? Goldens are very social dogs. They want to be with humans all the time and it's VERY difficult for them to be alone, especially at that young age. Talk to him! You'll be amazed, how well dog can listen. When you play with your children, include the pup in the playing, but on the other hand never ever leave your kids alone with him without supervision. Pups and kids can severe hurt each other.
Spend some time on training - bite inhibition, sit, wait and come are probably the ones I would teach him first.
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The one question that repeatedly pops up for me when I read your posts is "Where is the play?" When does this dog get to run around and let off a little steam? I realize you said your yard is not fenced in and that he's not old enough to have made it through the full series of puppy shots, so I would strongly advise you to buy a long lead so he can have a little more freedom of movement during play times outdoors. Begin to look at every interaction with your dog as an opportunity for training: be it basic manners, loose leash walking, bite inhibition, or basic skills like "sit," "down," or "come." Playing and training should be well integrated. Games that incorporate recall (as someone mentioned on page 2), laying groundwork for retrieve/fetch, teaching self control through a game of tug with set rules (I begin and end the game). Toys. Balls. Zoomies! This is a puppy, after all.

This isn't a choice between taking care of the dog or neglecting your children. If that is truly how you feel, I believe you should reconsider whether you are ready for dog ownership at this time in your children's lives. I realize it all seems a bit overwhelming right now. A puppy of this age feels like a 24 hour job (because he is). The bottom line is that both parents need to step up to the plate with this pup. That will allow each of you time to be highly involved with your kids as well as time to develop a strong bond and a sense of leadership with your dog. And including the kiddos in the pup's care will go a long way toward teaching them to be responsible stewards of these loving, trusting creatures we bring into our homes.

This is what you signed up for when you chose to bring home a puppy. The availability of training classes and other resources and the time commitment involved should have been examined beforehand. A first time dog owner, especially, should really find a way to work with a trainer. It's much more about teaching you than teaching the dog. Perhaps if you shared more about your location (if not publicly here on the forum, then in a private message to me or to a forum member you trust), we could help you find other options in your area. Many places offer private lessons or weekend classes and sometimes smaller or newer companies can be harder to find. Books and websites are all well and good, but this is an area where it's best not to try to go it alone.

Good luck with your pup. I'm glad to see that you are experiencing some improvements already. Remember, a tired dog is a good dog. Walks aren't going to be enough at this age (without walking distances that could be damaging to your dog's developing muscles and joints). Physical play and mental exercise will be key to your family's sanity for the next few years.

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I think you can also raise some of your pup expectations. I have raised ten Goldens, that either came to me from birth or 7.5 weeks on up. I have never had to get up in the middle of the night for any of them. Them have always been able to go from 10 to 6 or 7. My Gabby at five months goes from 9 to 7.
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My murphee is a handful, although my children are older now iv'e always had dogs around when they were young, in fact my first golden i got when when one of my children was only 3 months old. You need to start trusting him outside his crate a little more. I brought my puppy right in the bathroom with me while i got ready in the morning. Woke up an hour early so we could spend some quite time together before everyone else woke up. All you need is a good chew toy to keep his interest for a while. I do understand the potty issue, i took murphee out every half an hour at first. Me and my husband took turns. Playing fetch will tire him out more than a walk , using much more energy running back and forth. Plus its good bonding time. Good luck it gets better. Promise
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I think you can also raise some of your pup expectations. I have raised ten Goldens, that either came to me from birth or 7.5 weeks on up. I have never had to get up in the middle of the night for any of them. Them have always been able to go from 10 to 6 or 7. My Gabby at five months goes from 9 to 7.
I have to agree with Sally's Mom. After raising 12 puppies, I have concluded that they can really go from 11pm to 5am or even 10pm to 5 am as long as they are used to that routine.
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From your update yesterday it does seem like things are going better. We got a 8 week old girl a couple days ago. We are figuring everything out too.
I agree potty training should be first. You don’t want accidents all over the house. However I don’t think that is a good reason to keep him in his crate all the time. As others have said, take him out every time after he eats, drinks, plays, sleeps and in between. Accidents will happen; you just have to keep working at it.

Just because you have 2 kids doesn’t mean you have to neglect them or the puppy. Let the kids get involved in playing with him and training him. You and your wife can take turns. You can work with the puppy while your wife helps with homework. Have the younger one color or do something quite during this time so she doesn’t disturb training or her sisters homework time. Then you can get them bathed while she plays with the dog. Same with while dinner is being made. It doesn’t take 4 people to make dinner. One can cook the others can play with the puppy. Get him a bed for downstairs and train him to go in it while you eat.

The more he is out of his crate, the less he will be crazy when he is. Give him toys to occupy him while you are doing something else. Dogs need mental stimulation too. Find games that will get him thinking. I just learned that our little girl LOVES plastic bottles with kibble in them. She rolls them all over trying to get the food out. I stay close, but I can also walk off long enough to go to the bathroom or do something else real quick while she is playing with them.

You should also work on getting him to do the stairs. That way you don’t have to carry him and he isn’t confined to one part of the house. Our little girl was afraid of the stairs. However we have a lot of stairs in our house and I did not want to have to carry her every time. She mastered going up them the first day and is working on going down. I realized that she will not even try if she is at the top. I put her in the middle, then sit a couple more down. I put treats down and she will usually do 3-4 steps.

From what I understand at that age most puppies should be able to sleep through the night (I hope mine is by that age). So try not waking him up and see if he sleeps all night. Our puppy has been waking up 2 times during the night. However I think part of it was her crate (it was too small for her) and being in a new place. Last night we put her in our master bath with her bed and a baby gate. I have to get up for work at 4am, so that woke her up. Otherwise I think she probably would have slept through the night.

I hope you figure things out and your family gets more used to having a new member in it. They really are a joy. Good luck.
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Update: we let Spike out of his crate for a couple hours yesterday evening. Either supervised time with us upstairs, or in an exercise pen downstairs while we were in the same room. We put him to bed in his crate at 10:00 PM and my wife woke up at 2:00 AM to let him outside. She had to wake him up! Prior to last night, he was walking us up to go outside 2 or 3 times nightly.

When my wife got up at 6:00 AM, she also had to wake him up to go outside. I got up around 6:10 and supervised him upstairs out of his crate until 7:00. Much of that time he just wanted to sit next to me and mouth at my legs and stuff. Then at 7:00 AM, he was confined to his crate so we could get ready for work and get the kids ready. There was no barking. There was no whining.

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Sounds like you are making some changes for the good. Just wanted to say...if pup is sleeping I would just let him sleep. He will wake you if he needs to go potty. I'm glad you are asking questions and trying with your guy. Take care
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I think you can train sit, down, roll over, stand, leave it, come, etc. right away while you're house training. I don't think it takes much to teach those commands at all. When she was about 10 weeks, I wanted to teach her to roll over. I googled it on my phone, and had her doing it within a few minutes. I watched a YouTube video on heeling to get her started on that. You only need a few minute a couple times a day to get started. That's all the time I usually spend on training even now, as that's about the extent of her attention span.


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