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Old 11-29-2012, 01:46 PM
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Unhappy Help before I go INSANE!

Hello everyone,

Long time since I've posted, so here I am again!

My puppy Kobe is now almost 10 months old, in the dreaded teenage phase.. Needless to say, it's been a nightmare to handle his stubbornness and I need some help and advice on how to make life easier for both of us and not drive me crazy. Some of the main issues:
- picks up shoes, socks, whatever else he can get his mouth on and runs from us like we are playing a chase game. He managed to destroy my duvet cover the other night while I was distracted.
- If I catch him doing something he's not supposed to do, he bites pretty hard. He's never gotten blood, but scars yes. He snaps and does whatever he can to try to bite me and avoid that I take the stuff away from him.
- Now when we are walking, he likes to jump and bite the leash and wants to play tug. I ignore him and sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't.
- HUMPING on ME only! Don't know why, I think he wants my attention. I try to ignore, but his dewclaws hurt my legs so much I have bruises on them. I can't just pretend he's not doing anything.
- Chewing, and more chewing. My couch has too many wholes in it, nothing resists, no toys are strong enough for him. I know the chewing is sometimes out of boredom, but not even the strongest Kong toys resist My husband has prohibited me from spending another dime on toys, his new toys are bones.
- I'm trying to get him out of the crate to sleep. He's outgrowing it, he's not even 10 months and 80 lbs already. I feel bad, but he's too hyper and just wants to bite my sheets and bedding.

Any suggestions on the above issues? I pretty much try to ignore his requests for attention and I try not to make the chasing thing a game. Timeouts are sometimes effective, but don't help a lot. I have to tie him up sometimes as that's the only way he will be quiet and not bite.
I exercise him a lot and think that's still not enough. I work from home, so at least I'm around him all day, but can't play all day.

I have been looking at another set of classes (he's been to 2 puppy classes already) but with the holidays and all, it may be tough conciliating schedules and vacation, so we are going to wait after the Holidays to start.

Sorry for such a long post, it's what happens when you spend 4 months without posting and things accumulate

Any advice and help is appreciated, I love my puppy to death but I'm going nuts!!!
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:05 PM
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I don't have a teenage puppy yet - but I've ready alot of the teenager posts. I'm sure someone with more experience will chime in after me, but here's what I have to offer.

1) Train Train Train. Train so much you think you might die from all the training. Work on "drop it" and "leave it" until Kobe has it front, back and in between. Stay consistant. Make sure you use high value treats to keep his interest / motivation.

2) When you're working, where does he stay? My puppy knows that when Mom and / or Dad are busy, it's time I find a chew toy and settle down. I never taught him this - but when I leave for work, Bear goes into the xpen w/ his crate and a bunch of toys.

3) Have you tried Antlers? I hear they last a long time. What about the black kong toys? I think they swear it's unbreakable.

4) When he humps you (I assume it's just mounting your leg), make sure you get him off and redirect his attention elsewhere. Praise Praise Praise when he's good. If he won't stop or refuses to be redirected, put him in an xpen or behind some baby gates so he cannot get to you and the attenion he craves. He'll learn that the only time he gets attention is when he's nice and polite.

5) Try to re-establish pack heirarchy. I'm not sure the best way to do this - but I think that might be why he's humping you. He's trying to assert his dominance and claim the highest seat on the totem pole. Re-establishing that your the top dog might help settle him down.


I hope this makes sense and helps.
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P.S. I know if feels like everything is falling down around you and Kobe is never going to be the nice, polite, good boy you want him to be (or envision him being) - but remember that just like human teenagers - this too shall pass. Chin up! And we're always here for venting. There is a "parents of teenage puppies" thread going - you might want to check it out.

P.P.S. If you have the $$ you might want to drop him off to doggie day camp one day a week, etc. It'll hopefully wear him out more. A tired dog is a happy dog, etc. There is a doggie day camp near me and it's $20ish a day. And it runs from 9 am - 5 pm but you can pick up or drop off from 7 am - 7 pm.
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FWIW I'm taking xanax. Poop eating peeing, thefts, ripping toys apart, you name it. They are two years old BTW.

Works for me. A lot cheaper than seeing a shrink.
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I'm laughing so HARD at this post, even though I should be crying to see your dogs are two years old. Good laughs, and good luck!

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FWIW I'm taking xanax. Poop eating peeing, thefts, ripping toys apart, you name it. They are two years old BTW.

Works for me. A lot cheaper than seeing a shrink.
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Thanks a lot, I'm definitely considering daycare once or twice a week, but he's not neutered and the only place that will take him is a little far away.
I forgot to mention in my post that he's not neutered and one of the trainers I talked to mentioned the hormones could be a reason for him to do all the crazy stuff.


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P.S. I know if feels like everything is falling down around you and Kobe is never going to be the nice, polite, good boy you want him to be (or envision him being) - but remember that just like human teenagers - this too shall pass. Chin up! And we're always here for venting. There is a "parents of teenage puppies" thread going - you might want to check it out.

P.P.S. If you have the $$ you might want to drop him off to doggie day camp one day a week, etc. It'll hopefully wear him out more. A tired dog is a happy dog, etc. There is a doggie day camp near me and it's $20ish a day. And it runs from 9 am - 5 pm but you can pick up or drop off from 7 am - 7 pm.
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I'm laughing so HARD at this post, even though I should be crying to see your dogs are two years old. Good laughs, and good luck!

Oh good, sometimes I add in a large Vodka Tonic at Happy Hour.

I will not be defeated!!!!!
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Thanks a lot, I'm definitely considering daycare once or twice a week, but he's not neutered and the only place that will take him is a little far away.
I forgot to mention in my post that he's not neutered and one of the trainers I talked to mentioned the hormones could be a reason for him to do all the crazy stuff.
The hormones might be exasperating his "normal teenage" behavior. If you cannot send him to daycare, are there any of Kobe's friends that he can have play dates with for 1/2 a day maybe? Or a dog-walker who can come and go completely ape with him for an hour or two?
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Neutering would be a really good step to take initially, I think. We had two beautiful Maremmas a few years ago .....they grow well over 100lbs ....they were both around 50 kilos at full maturity. We had serious barking issues with them! We had the girl spayed at seven months, but left her brother until he was 13 months, in order for him to reach full growth potential. He was full of energy, though apart from the incessant barking, he was well behaved. Neutering took his energy level down a couple of notches, which meant he was not such hard work when walking him .....no jumping or biting on leash, but man could those guys pull & they were super powerful. Neutering will lower your boy's testosterone levels, which really surge in teenage years, so he should calm down somewhat. I've read on this forum that Gentle Leaders are used with great effect. I wish we had known about them for those guys, & will certainly use one on my GR if he starts making walking him a major issue.

Loki is four months old & if he can get into the bedroom & grab a slipper or piece of clothing, he will! Our trainer told us right from the start not to allow a puppy to do Anything we do not want him doing as our adult, so even though he looked adorable running out of our bedroom with slippers, etc, we took them off him right from the beginning at seven weeks old, with a firm No .....it has taken a while, & he still has lapses. We keep a basket of things in our sunporch that Loki is allowed to take out & carry about ....a large empty Plastic Cola bottle is his favourite ...he loves the sound it makes when he crunches on it, but can't get his little teeth through it yet. I put empty cardboard egg boxes into the basket too & he enjoys carrying them around, before chewing them to bits ....makes a big mess & I have to supervise to ensure he doesn't try to swallow bits, but keeps him occupied & he's happy. I change things about every few days. i do not put socks or old shoes in there, as that would only confuse him. And games of throw the ball or fetch the stick are good fun too. Have you thought of doing Flygility with your boy? It is supposed to be a lot of fun & apparently uses up a lot of energy too & dogs love it.

We have never allowed Loki onto the bed or other furniture. I saw an English trainer working with a big mastiff who refused to get off the bed. She had a high value treat in her hand, allowed the dog to sniff it & then drew her hand away to point down onto the floor with a firm command Off. The dog sat on the bed, staring at her hand. She stayed exactly where she was, without saying anything, just pointing at the floor with that treat in the hand. After about a minute, the dog gave in, got done off the bed & was rewarded & praised. The owner then did the same the next time he got onto the bed, & it took time, but he got down again. So training had begun. Perhaps you could try this & see how it goes.

I don't know if that is the case with you, or not, but once your boy has been neutered, & has calmed down a bit, you could start laying down house rules very firmly ....a calmer dog might be ready to listen ....do clicker training with him, to reinforce that he gets rewarded for the behaviour you are asking from him. So down off bed, sofa etc ...or drop shoes, etc ....equals a click & a reward ....make it very high value ...or a favourite toy you keep just for moments like this. To train him to drop things, offer him a treat he just cannot resist, & he is sure to drop what he has to get the treat. then praise him & make what he has dropped disappear. Sometimes I don't have my clicker on me, so I click my fingers, give a reward & praise him a lot.

I have seen an Extreme Kong which is advertised as being indestructible.

I really am sorry you are experiencing these problems with your lovely boy Kobe, but I am equally sure there must be a way to minimise them to make life bearable while he is going through this stage. Can you keep all shoes, socks, etc in drawers, wardrobes, chests, so that he cannot get to them? Keep bedroom door closed? I hope it all works out well for you. I am sure I will be pleading for advise in a few months time when Loki enters his teens.

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- picks up shoes, socks, whatever else ...
He's a retriever, right? That's in his blood to pick something up and carry in his mouth. You shouldn't play a chase game, but rather make him to bring the stuff to you. Oscar really likes to pick the sleepers, so every time when that happen I ask him to bring it to me and go get another one. The bad "habit" turned into useful trick

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- If I catch him doing something he's not supposed to do, he bites pretty hard. He's never gotten blood, but scars yes. He snaps and does whatever he can to try to bite me and avoid that I take the stuff away from him.
What do you usually do when you caught him? If you just take the stuff away, of course he'll protest. You should train him to BRING stuff to you, instead of running away with it. Every time he brings something, take it from him, praise him and give him some delicious treat. Soon he will start bringing things to you.

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- he likes to jump and bite the leash and wants to play tug. I ignore him and sometimes it works, sometimes doesn't.
Ignoring usually won't work, as he will try even harder. Younger pup gets bored fairly quick and will entertain himself. Try to distract him with other toy, talk to him - you'll be amazed how well the dog will listen when you tell him your stories. If nothing works - stop, got on you knee, hold his head and in soft and low voice tell him WHY he shouldn't bite the leash (make sure you have the good reasons for him). Worked for me every time!

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- HUMPING on ME only! Don't know why, I think he wants my attention. I try to ignore, but his dewclaws hurt my legs so much I have bruises on them. I can't just pretend he's not doing anything.
This is big No, No! You should never let him hump you. And your ignorance is pretty much an acceptance of this manner. If you're planning to breed him you may have "things" in your house he allowed to hump, otherwise don't let him hump anything. How? Switch him to something else, play with him, make him busy.

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- Chewing, and more chewing. My couch has too many wholes in it, nothing resists, no toys are strong enough for him. I know the chewing is sometimes out of boredom, but not even the strongest Kong toys resist My husband has prohibited me from spending another dime on toys, his new toys are bones.
Once again chewing is a natural instinct, so bones works well and will keep him busy for awhile.

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I pretty much try to ignore his requests for attention
Why would you ignore his requests for attention? Almost all puppy troubles came from their boredom and lack of owner's attention. Keep him busy, but the most important - exercise him both physically and mentally.

PS Keep away from xanax (Vodka is fine though )
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